As much as everyone here is drooling about this, thinking that the shooter is doing some vigilante justice, I think it’ll most likely turn out to be a hit hired by someone who will stand to gain directly from this dudes death, like his spouse or the next guy in line for his job.
Considering Deny, defy, depose was on the shell casings, I’m gonna say this dude wanted revenge.
These things are equally likely until we have more information.
Silencers don’t work. That shot was heard 'round the world.
Silencers make the shot less loud, so it still drew less attention that it would have without a silencer becuse it sounded less like a gunshot and the sound didn’t carry as far.
Ah, that be a rare double troll. Bravo.
I’ve heard speculation that subsonic ammunition was probably used which would have made a silencer much more effective. That might explain the apparent misfires that had to be cleared, if the gun wasn’t designed for subsonic. I don’t know if this actually makes sense or not.
/woosh
Yup, my tired ass completely wiffed the punchline.
Wow.
That’s someone who planned this out. No rushing, very calmly aiming and shooting. Walking up slowly, even crossed the street at a walking pace at first.
They also used a surpressed weapon which requires manual recocking of the weapon.
Apparently his gun jammed between each shot and he was very chill/good at unjamming it. So, police think Mr Guillotine is ex-army or ex-cop.
Maybe he was doing the SPORT technique for unjamming commonly taught in the army at least
Oh, is that what he was doing? I thought it was just not a semi-automatic gun or something, and he had to cock it each time (I am not a firearms expert lol). It seems that it might have even been hot and burnt his hand before the third (fourth? not gonna watch again) shot.
Might not be jamming, if you use subsonic ammo and a big fat suppressor, it’s possible that there simply isn’t enough gas pressure left to cycle the action of the gun, effectively turning the gun into a bolt-action.
The guy certainly doesn’t look surprised by a jam.
He was probably shooting subsonics, knowing they wouldn’t cycle the action. Silencers make a reliable gun unreliable by changing the gas system pressures. One way to make it reliable is to make sure every shot has to be manually cycled by shooting underpowered rounds.
What style gun is that, where he can catch the shell casing? I’m only familiar with automatics that eject the spent shell immediately after firing.
He’s not catching the shell casings, the gun is jamming up so he’s clearing the jam. They found three spent casings and three live rounds on the ground.
Do you have a source on that?
Thanks
A suppressor takes some of the “umph” out of it.
With a (semi) automatic the slide uses pressure of the bullet exiting to eject and load the next bullet.
Even with a silencer, a standard 9mm cracks the sound barrier, unless you use subsonic bullets that move slower, which exacerbates the problems cycling.
Now there is the Welrod pistol which requires you to rotate the back of the gun manually, this makes the gun honestly “movie quiet” where it’s literally not noticable. Someone makes a new model now with the same style of integrated suppressor, it even comes with a more regular style suppressor for. The “movie quiet” one has to be sent to the company and rebuilt like every 300 rounds.
Something like what is used in the video would still be a noticable noise, not just immediately recognized as a gunshot. It’s just a regular semiautomatic modern handgun with a suppressor on it.
But he knew where the camera was too. He’s angled just right so it never brushes his identity. I get the feeling he knew the limitations of what he was doing, as he had enough time to make sure he got him.
That suppressor was to give him time.
I mean I didn’t see anything
The main mistake I see is that he didn’t put the gun inside of a plastic bag to catch the shell casings and minimize gsr.
I’m speculating (wildly) that it was one of these. Bolt action silenced pistol
I know it’s America and all, but as a British person I find it absolutely wild that people are just driving down the street while some dude is getting shot to pieces next to them.
This might be a silly question, but how common do you actually see guns day to day somewhere like NYC? Are there Americans that go their whole lives together without ever seeing a gun in person, or is it basically RDR2 over there?
I’ve got to be honest, if I saw that anywhere I’d likely drive on past. It’s none of my business, and don’t want anybody with a gun to make it so. Phone the police? Sure. Stop? Fuck no.
I always think of the scene from Last Action Hero where Charles Dance guns a man down just to test his theory.
“Hello? I’ve just shot somebody, I did it on purpose!”
You never see guns except on cops, and this was at 6:45 in the morning in cold weather with a suppressed pistol. This whole scene took a few seconds as you just saw. This chain of events would look the exact same in any corner of the world. Nothing about this is exceptionally insane, except for the whole murder part.
Yeah, as someone who has driven in US cities before, I can 100% see myself half asleep, driving by at 6:45am on my way to work, and completely missing this scene unfold as I drive by.
What are you going to do if you see a guy with a gun shoot at people? Get out and tell him to not be such a bloomin’ rotter?
Oi! You got a license for that shooter ‘ere, gov’?
You can’t murder there, mate.
I’ve worked with a couple of New Yorkers and this particular area is usually (unauthorised) gun free. A shooting in Brixton is less of a story than a shooting in Westminster. That’s the best comparison I can think of. Manhattan versus the Bronx is probably similar. Also the gun has a silencer/suppresor on it. Above the sound of the city, your vehicle and the radio it would be possible to miss.
Are there Americans that go their whole lives together without ever seeing a gun in person
100% there are many who do. But there are many in rural areas or with certain jobs (and I don’t just mean law enforcement) who consider bringing their gun every day as routine as bringing their wallet and phone.
The US is a huge place, and the average day for someone working as a farm hand in the midwest could hardly be more different than the average person working an office job in NYC.
Depends how you define “without ever seeing a gun in person” though. Anyone who has seen a cop has seen one.
I had many family members with guns growing up. I’ve put holes in a lot of tin cans. Then I was in the military for awhile. If we don’t count seeing one strapped to a soldier or cop, I probably haven’t seen a gun in person more than two times in the past several decades, and both of those were the same relative showing me the same gun. OTOH I know with certainty that many of my neighbors own guns, even if I haven’t seen them.
I haven’t spent much time in NYC, but I’m sure there are lots and lots of people there who don’t see a gun often in any non-cop context, and many others who see or carry one every day.
It’s not RDR2, but I also don’t think there’s anything resembling a universal answer, even within a single city.
Regardless of what you may have heard, cities like NYC are not just full of gangs brandishing firearms on all street corners. In fact, firearm violence is higher, per capita, in rural areas.
So yes, there are millions of people who live in NYC that will never see a gun in their lives. The gun laws there are very strict, so people aren’t just carrying them around in the open for the most part.
Regardless of what you may have heard, cities like NYC are not just full of gangs brandishing firearms on all street corners. In fact, firearm violence is higher, per capita, in rural areas.
I’m not sure if you might have replied to the wrong comment, but this isn’t something I believe about NYC in the first place, nor something I implied.
Ah yeah I might have replied to the wrong comment.
People really don’t have that good of reaction time and should be paying more attention to the road in front of them then what’s happening on the sidewalks.
They probably just didn’t notice, thought it wasn’t real, or just kept driving to not endanger themselves.
Open and conceal carry are legal where I live (in Texas, permit not needed anymore), and notice it fairly often. I’ve lived in bad neighborhoods where I’d hear gunshots about once a week sometimes (guessing gang shit). I’ve had a bullet come through my bedroom wall while I was sleeping once. I’ve also lived in rural US, where you’d commonly hear gunshots from hunters or people target practicing. I’ve known several people who’ve been shot (some survived, others have not).
I’m guessing it’s not very common to see guns in NYC though. I think carrying and gun sales are banned.
I think you’re wildly overestimating how aware drivers are in the USA.
I’ve lived in Kansas City for about 15 years, and I’ve seen a gun get pulled on someone once. SUV almost clipped a motorcyclist while making a left turn into the lane a little ways in front of us. Motorcyclist did a quick u-turn, caught up to the SUV, and pulled a gun on the driver. The driver quickly and frantically apologized, the biker shook his head and reholstered his gun, and got back on his bike and both drove off in different directions.
I started slowing down to increase distance when I saw the motorcycle do its initial u-turn, but I was pretty much trapped in the lane. I had my whole family in the car with me - I’d have been willing to testify after, but no way I’d be willing to put them all at risk to intervene. I was looking for ways to get us to safety, and was pretty much down to popping us up on the sidewalk to get around and get away if things got bad (it was rush hour, there was no room in the other lanes for us).
What I see of the drivers in the video is a) It’s early morning, and they’re paying just enough attention not to hit each other in a rush hour crawl; and b) they’re trapped by everyone else in the rush hour crawl. Not getting shot at this point (because you can’t tell he’s just targeting a CEO) means not getting noticed, because you don’t have good options for getting away.
SEEING a gun? Uh, no. I think it would be hard to do that. Every cop has them strapped to their waist.
Now I personally haven’t ever seen a gun get FIRED, but every 4th of July I always wonder if I’m actually hearing gunshots in the distance. People would just assume it’s fireworks. You could go on a shooting spree. As long as there’s no visual witnesses, what’s gonna happen? Even if you know the difference in sound for fact, the cops won’t take that call seriously on the 4th. They’ll just assume you’re wrong.
Supposedly you can tell the difference between fireworks and gunshots by the echo; fireworks will be more of an echoey boom because they are up in the air.
I live in liberal hipster paradise, Portland, Oregon (I say that completely unironically and lovingly). I don’t think I have seen a gun or heard a gunshot in town (except police as others have covered). There is definitely gun violence around, I just haven’t encountered it. I definitely have friends who have never handled a gun.
Get out of town, though, into a state forest or something, and you are bound to hear people out target shooting. Most folks do it safe places like quarries so they can shoot into a wall, but once and a while I come across a spot where there is nothing to stop a bullet but trees. As a person who does a lot of off trail mushroom hunting I think this is the most likely way that I get shot. I really wish there was some sort of training required to own a firearm.
A lot of people like to carry when they hike and camp too, which I think is as silly as keeping a gun under your pillow. Like, that is just asking for a terrible accident. In fact someone I know was shot and killed while out hiking and I can only imagine it was some kind of stupid accident or over reaction or something.
Sorry for rambling, this is my kind of everyday interaction with guns. PS, my partner and I own several handguns, an AK 47, a shot gun, and some rifles. Many of them were inherited and we never really shoot them anymore. It’s weird.
Regardless of what you may have heard, cities like NYC are not just full of gangs brandishing firearms on all street corners. In fact, firearm violence is higher, per capita, in rural areas.
So yes, there are millions of people who live in NYC that will never see a gun in their lives. The gun laws there are very strict, so people aren’t just carrying them around in the open for the most part.
I would say most people don’t see guns in scary situations(used for robberies or any illegal act) I’m in my 40s and have a gun, have friends with guns.only my family or friends that grew up in rougher situations ever saw one used illegally (including brandishing illegally) The person shooting has a silencer on their pistol. Illegal I think in NY. Contrary to media, it makes it more quiet, but not completely silent. Your ears will definitely hurt (and you may even dmg your ears) if you’re nearby, but people in cars may not think it’s a gun shot.
There are states that allow people to walk around with a firearm completely visible(can’t have a long coat that may cover it) but, to my understanding, people don’t like to carry in that way usually because it’s frowned upon.
The more conservative and rural the area the more you will see open carry. I’ve never seen my nextdoor neighbor without a gun on his hip.
My more liberal and diverse of a state allows open carry but the last time someone did it with a rifle the police followed them around until they stopped.
just driving down the street while some dude is getting shot to pieces next to them.
I mean, unless you can get to your own gun quick enough to save him (which in NYC is doubtful, they’re almost illegal there), you have a better plan than “get yourself to safety?” If you’re in a car driving down a street getting to safety typically means “don’t stop to chat with the gunman.”
To answer your second question (which I already alluded to), “depends.” In my area I see guns all the time, I carry one myself as a matter of fact and see at least one other person carrying a week (definitely more, most carry concealed like me, but then you don’t know about it.) In NYC, no guns aren’t a common sight, they’re seriously almost illegal in the city, you can’t get a permit don’t even try basically. Upstate it’s a little easier depending on the county, but still more rare than say my area.
With a suppressor and someone’s radio on, more than likely, they couldn’t hear it in a vehicle.
Can’t vouch for NYC but in Texas, where it’s fucking legal to carry without a license, it’s not uncommon, but I can go weeks without seeing someone openly carry. Concealed is way more popular, so hard to say how many actually daily carry.
Kinda like in L.A. knowing just how many guys are wearing chastity belts. Maybe none. But you don’t know.
It’s legal in most states to carry without a license. As of 2024, 29 states have adopted “Constitutional Carry”. Only 8 states actually have a restrictive license. The remaining 13 grant licenses to anyone who is not otherwise prohibited from carrying. It’s more of a concealed carry registration than a license.
Suppressed shots are still loud, just not deafening. Most people would think they’re fireworks.
Definitely not like the mouse-farts that silenced guns in movies make, though.
Our cops carry guns on their waist and sometimes pull them for traffic stops so no, you don’t go through your life without seeing a gun. As far as carrying goes, many places outlaw open carry and require concealed.
That’s wild. I’d rather have concealed carry made outlawed. At least I would know which dangerous whackjob I should steer clear of.
It can get wilder. The state where I live (in the deep south), recently amended the law so that you no longer require a permit to carry a concealed handgun. And they reduced the age for concealed carry from 21+ to 18+, as well as including non-residents visiting from other states. And I don’t live in Texas btw
It definitely made me more nervous after it passed. I mean, almost anyone can carry a concealed handgun now‽ Not even have to take a few-hour class, even simply to know the laws around concealed carrying? Not a fan knowing damn near anyone could be holding and I can’t tell who. It doesn’t help that I live in a high-crime city
Open-carry is one thing, I can see the damn thing. Now it really does feel like wild-west shit. Granted, I haven’t noticed an uptick in craziness, anymore than usual… but fuck, I don’t need Jim Bob feeling anymore emboldened to be a “hero”, while knowing jack shit about the actual law
Most places require a permit to carry concealed, and criminals don’t follow the laws anyways, so this is the best we have come up with apparently.
It’s America. You should be steering clear of ALL the wackjobs! You know how you know which ones are wackjobs? They’re the ones breathing oxygen!
…we don’t have great mental health care over here.
It’s pretty rare in California and NYC outside of law enforcement. Some states have open carry, and even there, it’s rare, but the fringe folk have them.
A silenced gun just sounds like someone clapping their hands.
Depends…22lr with sub rounds. Sure. .45? No. Suppressors help with noise reduction but do not eliminate it to were you can not use ear pro. Caliber matters greatly, but %100 the pistol used in this being a 9mm was not as quiet as someone clapping their hands.
NYC is very loud just by default.
That too. Plus if someone is in their car, windows up, radio on. They’re not hearing that shit.
I didn’t say it was as quiet as someone clapping their hands, just that it sounds like that.
If you don’t have experience with guns, you probably won’t identify the sound as a gunshot.Ah, fair enough, and yes you’re correct. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell it apart when at a distance and not seeing an actual firearm produce the sound.
In NYC, guns are banned and unless you’re trying to find one, you won’t.
Edit: Except cops. Cops open carry everywhere.
If there’s one demographic that I try not to piss off… It’s gotta be professional assassins.
If they find the guy, I hope the jury nullifies.
Better yet they do a whole case about how this is justified defence from all the deaths that guy was causing
That works as well. Anything to make these ghouls actually sweat a bit about the needless suffering they cause for monopoly money
I would argue if we got a jury to say he was not guilty because shooting a Rich Ghool was Defence, it would cause FAR more worries than a simple nulification.
Only in the short term!
They would just retry in federal with the most stacked jury in us history.
Double jepordy, I would hope cracks would atleast become glaring if that happened
Double jeopardy only protects you from retrial from the same entity.
Kinda. It has to be a crime in both jurisdictions, and it’s only between state and federal systems. Two different courts in the same state are under the same judicial authority, so they can’t both try you.
If you commit bank robbery for example, you’ve invariably committed armed robbery in a state against an entity under federal jurisdiction. That means they can both prosecute.
The feds don’t have jurisdiction for murder in a typical new York sidewalk.
I think its the same crime period, reguardless of who tries it.
the prosecution would just file for mistrial and try again.
Sounds like someone learned about US laws in US schools.
sounds like someone doesn’t realize that lawyers pay attention to juries while the case is tried and can file for mistrial due to some fabricated context of jury contamination through media before a verdict is given.
Once the trial begins, it’s not a easy for the prosecution to get a mistral without prejudice attached. There have to be grounds on which the mistral is based.
“We’re going to lose because the jury is going to rule against us” is not adequate grounds for a mistrial.
I think this would require a hung jury
Can’t mistrial a jury verdict.
so lawyers are dumb as fuck and can’t clearly tell a jury is going to slamdunk them?
thats what jury selection is ment to stop. But after that, gloves off.
The prosecution doesn’t get to file for mistrial after a jury has rendered its verdict
you are correct, but if you hire a lawyer instead of a wet sponge they can feel the jury out and file mistrial during proceedings.
Haha get rekt loser!
Honestly, yeah. This isn’t even a disturbing video to watch. I’m proud of that shooter.
Okay, on second watch it is a little disturbing because of the scared bystanders.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I try and watch as many of the more high-profile police killings as I can to try and make sure I deeply feel the sadness and outrage, but with this one… I got nothin’
No map awareness whatsoever.
Wild. That’s a lot more brazen than I expected.
I mean, he went to fucking Starbucks beforehand.
Yeah. Obv premeditated. Planned well in advance. Seems like he knew his routine. Had the right gear. Caught the casings. No hesitation or announcement.
The backpack though. Bit distinct.
I think I have that backpack…
Gray, brown strap on top, very distinction top flap. It’s great for getting into and out of on the move, so I guess it makes sense.
https://www.peakdesign.com/products/everyday-backpack?Size=20L&Color=Ash
If it weren’t so expensive, this would probably become the best-selling backpack for a while.
Imagine thinking ftf was catching casings…🤣
I’m not convinced he was catching the casings. He seems to be correcting malfunctions.
He wasn’t, the police found two casings and two unfired rounds at the scene.
I think your are right. Depending on the type of pistol, they don’t all cycle nice with suppressors. I’ve sern some suppressor/pistol combos where people have to manually cycle the slide, after firing, to chamber the next round most of the time.
He’s using subsonic ammo and a homemade suppressor. The gun can’t cycle with that. That’s why he’s racking it by hand and why he left both shell casings and unfired cartridges behind (because he over racked it).
Agreed
A homemade can without a Nielsen (muzzle booster) device would certainly account for that. Since most consumer cans come with them by default.
I’m speculating it was this gun, single shot, magazine fed, bolt action, silenced
Gun Jesus also disagrees
Welrods don’t really exist outside of video games and museums. You’re not going to see them on the streets or black market. It was almost certainly a homemade suppressor that caused malfunctions.
B&T VP9 and their Station six nine. Not saying it was that, but just saying they exist on the market today. So a welrod-alike can be had. But it would absolutely leave a paper trail as its a unique gun.
That would explain how calmed he seemed cycling it. He new it’s limitations, and expected it to happen.
That’s what I saw as well. He’s not catching the casings.
I was wondering if the gun were designed to hold the casing until it’s manually retrieved.
That’s a revolver
Some guns, especially ones that have a tilting barrel (most pistols) can be finicky about adding a big weight at the end of the barrel. most surpressors nowadays have methods to sorta help counteract the weight, but the gun can still jam or not cycle if the ammo isn’t powerful enough.
in this case, it looks like they didn’t test out their setup well enough, and had to manually rack the slide to eject the spent case and chamber a new round.
Backpack could be a hand made cover that can be tossed or just stuffed inside the backpack. With all the planning that seems to have gone into this, it seems unlikely something that prominent would be overlooked.
don’t worry, the reddit detectives will find him based on the backpack.
Premeditated. Preplanned. Preexisting: sorry sir, law enforcement can’t take your claim.
I suspect the backpack contained a disguise or something. Dude was too much of a pro to not consider getaway.
Still. A gradeschool jansport can carry those same things and can be bought at any walmart.
Either way, my bet is this goes unsolved.
One of the first news reports said the cops have him on video at a Starbucks just prior, so he left “forensic evidence” plus his face on camera.
IF that’s true, they might get him. Anyone can buy a silencer with the right ATF background checks, so if he bought it legally, they’d likely have his prints.
If he wasn’t at Starbucks, or had a mask, or wore gloves, he’s in the clear.
Subsonic rounds with a silencer don’t necessarily short stroke the gun, but he looks like he practiced firing in that condition a lot. If he did indeed catch the casings, there won’t be a lot to catch him on. Maybe if he walks to a car later.
If the cops are right, they’ll catch him. If they’re wrong, I agree he won’t get caught.
Supposedly he took off on an ebike.
Are those only usable with credit cards? That would suck. Unless they take prepaid gift cards, then he would’ve had to buy one on the black market or something to be in the clear.
I mean… you can buy your own.
Ditched that in Central Park.
Now I’m wondering who that guy is and how the company fucked him over.
My bet is on disgruntled family member who Mema’s cancer treatment didn’t get approved.
The amount of suspects is so incredibly huge that it’s a statistical miracle that someone else didn’t get him first
What a concept for a brand new game show.
“Who wants to kill a billionaire?”
🙋
“Amazing, you all won!”
the more you take away from people, the more people there are going to be with nothing left to lose…
Where in that video did he “catch the casings”?
He didn’t. News says the casings had words written on them.
watch again and he’s manually having to cycle. He’s also very clearly practiced is manually cycling to reload. whether that’s because of the suppressor or because he’s modified the gun, the casing would be available to catch every time he cycles. he’s not snatching them out of the air, but when you manually cycle like that they would go into your hand .
When I this kind footage I usually have at least a tinge of sympathy for the victim. Even if its someone bad. Not here though. I feel nothing watching him get shot, nothing.
I saw videos of being getting shot and stabbed and I felt a visceral reaction in my gut.
For this guy? Nothing. Not only that. I was like ‘come on! You didn’t test your gun beforehand? I rate this assassination 2 out of 5!’
The gun isn’t jamming, sub sonic bullets do not have enough power to kick the shell out so it has to be manual, the person shooting clearly knows this.
I was curious about that. was wondering if he used a 3d printed gun or something.
It looks like an off-the-shelf commercial handgun. You don’t need anything special to shoot subsonic rounds, though depending on the gun and ammo they can lead to malfunctions like stovepipe.
I’ve shot .22 CB long out of a semi-auto rifle without issues aside from having to manually cycle the bolt after each shot.
He could have replaced the recoil spring with a weaker one that doesn’t need as much force.
Or used a .45 ACP gun. Many .45 ACP rounds are subsonic by default.
People on bluesky think the homemade silencer caused the issue.
With a Nielson device the slide will cycle on a subsonic round. This was a homemade suppressor. The gunman knew how to operate the weapon, but subsonic rounds aren’t inherently single shot.
No, no sympathy for him. But for his family, certainly. Just like I have sympathy for all the families missing members because they were denied care.
My god, I can’t believe this. There’s a lemmy community for videos??
Hey ChatGPT give me a list of people, who were, or who have family who were denied lifesaving treatment in the last year; cross ref with people living in three hours drive.
That would be millions of results. It’s United Healthcare, the Walmart of healthcare. They ain’t paying anything they can get out of.
How did you not understand that was the point?
Yeah — I know. That was kinda the joke (poorly made it would seem)
And yes deny deny deny is their mantra
Well now he’s been denied…of tomorrow. Annie was poor in an orphanage, but at least she could sing about tomorrow.
The most unmourned assassination of all time. Even had that guy succeeded in July, more people would have mourned Trump’s passing than this guy.
Trump has a cult following though. They would all drink the Kool aid if he told them to.
This guy though, this guy only benefits by literally killing people in the name of profit.
I just read an article about Anthem limiting the amount of anesthesia regardless of how long the procedure takes. These people are fucking around and hopefully we are entering the find out stage.
