I will sing kratom’s praises all day everyday, but I have nothing good to say about 7-OH. Kratom is safe, cheap and relatively non-addictive. 7-OH is an expensive, short lived, and insanely addictive high that has a super steep tolerance increase. 7-OH is going to be the death of kratom, mark my words.

Know someone who literally had to go to rehab (not drug rehab, physical rehab) because of their B12 deficiency from whippets

That’s interesting, I didn’t know they were growing kava like that!

Also, just gonna be very open with my past use of mutual aid money to back your point, how many people who post on that comm are in recovery? I was in active addiction when I started posting in mutual aid. Did mutual aid money go towards fixing my bank account after I overdrafted it getting booze? You bet it did. Did that same mutual aid money go towards getting me to outpatient appointments, detox meds, and other basic necessities? It certainly did.

There is a fairly big recovery community on mutual aid, with one user regularly posting to get their subs, me regularly posting about getting their life together after leaving rehab, another user doing the same, ect. There are so many in recovery users that started as addicts, that have proven that they used that money to better themselves, but outside observers just see a bunch of addicts and just shit on us. So many of these people haven’t ever actually donated or posted, their opinions don’t matter but they’re being considered for some reason. I’ve made some of my best friends on this platform through that comm because we really show up for each other on there. I’ve said it a million times before, but there is one person on here that has donated quite a bit to me over the years. I really really miss that person, it’s really upsetting to me that I don’t have access to my element right now because I miss our gaming sessions so fucking much. I just put it in every comment I mention them in case they read it so they know I haven’t forgotten about them

Not gonna go into specifics, but Sphere’s opinion is definitely one of the more important opinions on this thread

I took my final dose on Thursday expecting the pharmacy to have more, so unfortunately I can’t. Last night was my first night sleeping without it and that was rough, but I expect tonight to be much harder. I was in such a weird headspace this morning.

Yeah, avoid 7-OH like the plague. It’s more addictive than some opiates I’ve kicked because of just how short lived it is and how steeply the tolerance increases. I’m not for the criminalization of drugs, but I hope it gets banned so that kratom doesn’t if that makes sense. Kratom has been nothing but a help to me in my life. I try to avoid it nowadays because I haven’t used any drugs in 66 days, but there are totally cases I’ll bust out some kratom again. 7-OH has been nothing but a problem to me though, the only reason I’d grab it is if I want to give into my addict brain

Bump amber whataboutism

Would give if I could

I appreciate it, unfortunately I’ve thought of all these already. My pharmacy is closed on the weekend so I can’t call them to get it transferred. My best bet is going to an ER, but I really can’t afford to take time off work, and even if I go right now I’d still need a way to get to an open pharmacy without a car.

It’s a super common med, so pretty much anywhere I call it in will have it. This is the first time in 2 years a pharmacy hasn’t immediately had it (Risperidone)

I’m in the US, but I have state insurance. I work all weekend though and really need the money, so I can’t give up a shift to go get them. I’m financially screwed if I give up a day to go get them from an ER.

I normally like this mentality, but anti-psychotic withdrawal is definitely a time that being drunk is preferable to being sober. There’s so much bodily discomfort that comes with it, so much physical pain and resentment that alcohol is a band aid for. It also makes the snappy decisionmaking feel okay.

I guess I shouldn’t say it is better to be drunk off my meds. But it definitely feels better

I appreciate it, I’ll probably end up calling you at some point this weekend if you’re okay with that

7-OH is a very powerful alkaloid of kratom that’s present in small amounts in powder, but is now being sold in extracts and pills. I sing the praises of kratom pretty regularly, it’s great from a harm reduction standpoint. I can’t say much good about 7-OH as someone in recovery, it’s about as addictive as real opiates, it’s expensive, it isn’t as good of medication as regular kratom, it’s just a better high.

Yeah, my life is infinitely better without alcohol. But this is gonna be hard being sober without my anti-psychotic. I was already noticing the odd thoughts and feelings this morning

I wrote the kratom guide on the drug comm of Hexbear, it’s alright but I’m trying not to lean on that as a crutch. I discovered 7-OH towards the tail end of my addiction and it made me uncomfortable with kratom tbh.

I said this in our DM, so I’ll say it publicly. I used to be a step parent. One day, my ex’s sister got arrested and I became a parent to an extra kid over night. We needed hundreds of dollars to make him comfortable, and just to keep him out of state custody (drug tests, handling old traffic tickets, ect.). We got that money mostly from here. Between family and Hexbear, we got an extra $500 that week and we used every cent. Just the drug tests for the courts were $60 a person. Yes, there were resources for foster parents that we got access to later on, but those took months to access. We got his Christmas with those, and we were hit with this the day before Halloween. There’s no reason to arbitrarily cap how much people can need/give, that’s between the people who give and receive.

Yep, just flicking their cigarettes into the fucking yard even though we have ashtrays (a coffee can, but still a place to put cigarette butts)

And what’s worse is one of them blamed it on being schizoaffective when I asked them to stop like I don’t have the same diagnosis. I wasn’t impressed or convinced whatsoever.

Ay glad you’re doing well! I remember us chatting a bit before I went into rehab and I was hoping you were doing well! Kickass :)

Yeah, sober them is like drunk me. Because even when I was drinking I did shit like using an ashtray.

The only reason I’m taking on more than I should right now is because of the serenity prayer. Being in a nasty house stresses me out, so I clean it instead of just being stressed by it, even when it’s not my responsibility. I do the wakeup call because I actually spent the last of my money this morning getting this bitch a ride to get her meds because she is so fucking annoying when she’s off them that I was going to let her manically ruin her life just so I wouldn’t have to deal with her anymore. Instead I told her that she’s obviously manic and told her to get back on her meds and offered her help, if that didn’t work I was just going to try and get her kicked out. But I’m trying to do what I can to make my home life peaceful, because I shouldn’t want to live at my work right now.

Oh well, could be worse. I get free non alcoholic beer and red bulls all night so it’s not too bad at work when I clock off.

At this point I have to. Not to get too dark, but I made a post about last time I drank, and I came really close to dying that time. That would have been fine to me in my addiction, but now that I’m not in active addiction I want to live again yk? If I drink again I’m gonna die over catastrophising temporary problems and it just feels like it’s not an option anymore.