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As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.
For real. Democrats criticizing their own politicians is as old as the modern Democrats. That’s part of the problem, everyone marches in lock step on the right and the left argues about every action their politicians take.
I think this is a fair POV. No one is perfect. Thinking that you cannot criticise something you are part of, you like, or are somehow related to, is just childish.
All you guys suck, democrats enabled the rise of fascism by being impotent cowards trying to get the scraps left behind by the republicunts.
Everyone should still vote for them becuase they are better than the only other option in your dogshit political system.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
If they think their only recourse in all of this is to vote differently next time, they’re more fucked than we think. It’s not about D v R. It’s haves and have-nots. Always was. The sports teams are to distract and divide.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.
But if they consistently win it still alter the political landscape such that someone else will have a better chance of enacting actual change in the future.
The two party system is garbage, but if one of the two current parties lost its ability to win entirely then a different second option could appear.
Agree. Within legal means, this is the only way to shift the Overton Window back left. When Democrats are secured from Republicans, then we should be pushing for more progressive options. Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.
okay so what’s your next step? because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
Maybe the party shouldn’t have done it then. There will never be anything that will get Democrats to move to the left. You know it. You love it. It’s why you’re gloating with your spoiled milk analogy.
No, he asked for a next step. Because leftists can’t get a win.
Spamming as a conservative on multiple posts? This is the same type of posts you see on conservative reddit, always pointing out both sides, when there’s almost none of the same type of opinionated posts when referring to Republicans. I know you like to blame Dems, but Republicans are the ones actually promoting and using racism , and fascism right? Where’s the criticism against them with such vigor as your post. Your the reason why Reddit has been so aggressive with their banning. Also because your barely mention Rs in good faith. Yes dema has their problems, but Republicans are far worst people.
Where’s the criticism against them with such vigor as your post.
It’s not needed, OP and everyone here knows they’re horrible. There’s no point in adding a redundant “death to Republicans” after every critique of the Democrats who enabled them.
Yes dema has their problems
Genocide trivialization
acknowledging that both sides support a genocide and moving past that because there’s nothing you can do to change it isn’t trivialising it; it’s being realistic about a whole lot of horrendous options… sticking your head in the sand doesn’t magically make the genocide go away
You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho
Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.
Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda
and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow
ah, now I get the Hexbear sidebar clock joke
Oof sounds bad
Everyone here that defends democrats knows they’re not the best people.
Still immensely better than the alternative.
Classic failed thought, that. We are seeing the results of the Dems’ hard work right now, my friend.
Yup, cause democrats made sure to bring Zelensky in front of the media to just yell at him and renounce our support to save lives.
Democrats were saving lives by bombing children in Gaza.
blueMAGA liberals would personally dismember every child in Gaza to keep the war in Ukraine going another six months
Genocidal fascists are indeed “not the best people”
Oh, and the anti immigrant, anti education, anti living wage, anti trans, super genocidal facists are sooooo much better, right?
Or were you talking about the fucking nobody who had literally ZERO chance of winning? There were really going to win it all and save everybody, what happened?
Anti-immigrant: Democrats adopted Republican immigration policy.
Anti-education: Democrats wanted to expel students who weren’t pro-genocide enough.
Anti-living wage: Democrats’ last word on raising the federal minimum wage was Sinema’s thumbs down.
Anti-trans: Democrats ran hateful Republican anti-trans talking points in their own ads.
Super genocidal: Democrats have spent the past year shoveling weapons to Netanyahu to be used to murder Palestinians.
are sooooo much better, right?
Democrats seem to think so since they keep emulating them.
You loved every last one of the past SUCCESSES of the Democratic Party to move themselves closer to the fascism you will never even think of opposing.
Oh, and the anti immigrant, anti education, anti living wage, anti trans, super genocidal facists are sooooo much better, right?
You were the one saying genocidal fascists are merely “not the best people”.
Yes but only democrats can say that.
Umm… Even us on .world agree that Dems are controlled opposition and useless if we want any actual change.
Not on the .world I’ve seen
Fuck both sides of the shitbird
I suppose “both wings of the shitbird” works too.
Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?
The Zionist Regime must fall. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Organize in your community to raise awareness of your country’s complicity (e.g. weapons manufacture, university/college affiliations) and organize in your workplace to use your power as a worker to sabotage the conflict, especially if you are in ports or manufacture.
You can indeed. This isn’t .world.
You can on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net
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We see how that turned out for Gaza.
Better than under the Democrats, so far. But let me guess, you were denying the severity of the genocide when it was the Democrats doing it.
This place is pretty far left dude lol. You wont find anyone pro israel here.
Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.
As a trans person i am currently eating shit for breakfast every day to protect myself, my friends, and humanity. Lesser evil is starting to look like “not being murdered” sometimes
Join us on hexbear and lemmygrad
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
You’re absolutely right
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets.
It really isn’t, study after study has shown that popularity has basically no effect on policy.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
I’ll keep saying it, the DNC is a sunk cost. You will keep trying to get them to stand up for you; get them to care; get them to fight. They will keep taking your energy; taking your money; and taking your vote and do nothing with it.
Big donors have recognized it. It’s time for the people to recognize it too. That means you.
Because we are tired of arguing nuance, while out enemied threaten to literally exterminate us. At this point, any straying from the left is a profound moral failing. It’s usually some kind if bigotry, or support of unscientific ideas.
The Democratic Party on the whole is captured by the donor class as a direct result of Citizens United. This has led to the hollowing out of the grassroots movements that are necessary for a large coalition of diverse interests to compete against the oligarchic cabal that makes up the GOP. This decimated the rank and file operatives that used networking within their communities to create political action and replaced it with endless fundraising emails, even as the primary process was corrupted (Hillary v Bernie, Biden v Bernie) to remove clout from the progressive wing of the party.
This led to the disillusionment of many Democratic voters that they have any say in the nomination process (the last time we had a real primary was Obama 2008 - almost 20 years ago), and the result is a slate of weak centrist candidates that for the most part play lip service to liberal cultural issues while blocking any real progressive economic progress.
The purpose of the Democratic Party apparatus as it exists in 2025 America is to capture and dilute revolutionary energy, so that people don’t take to the streets and demand real change. Yes, there are some independents and good folks within the Democratic Party trying to make a change (AOC, Jasmine Crocket) but the power players (Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries) are still refusing to stand up to the overt fascist takeover of our country.
The system as it exists will not change, and without change, we’re barreling into a fascism induced depression and possible civil war that will likely ravage the planet.
