You think a country which arrests people for saying “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” is going to allow calls for the wholesale slaughter of all Israeli children?
The “from the river to the sea…” phrase is forbidden as it supposedly denies the right of the existence of the Jewish state Israel which, in Germany, is considered as a special form of antisemitism.
It was a rhethorical question and AFAIK not technically correct (it’s supposedly the slogan of Hamas, which is classified as a terrorist organization - that’s a simple way of constricting German freedom of speech).
But yeah: my point was whether the OP said about israelis wouldn’t be considered antisemitic in Germany.
According to the German Wikipedia article on that phrase, it was forbidden as it is a Hamas slogan, but only in the context of endorsement of terrorism, not in general. So there have been cases, where the use was not prohibited on a rally, as it’s organisers made explicitly clear that they don’t endorse Hamas nor terrorism.
And it still discriminates against all legitimate uses. Because you can never be sure if the police still decides to break up the protest after such a chant. And when the police breaks up the protest (with the possibility of violence) after the parole has been used and then it turns out that a judge later decides that it wasn’t illegal, it’s probably less of a consolidation after the fact.
Ok. You think you wouldn’t get arrested for that kind of sentiment when the “from the river” phrase gets you arrested?
I could explain it to you. From several standpoints. The official justification jusyifies the prohibition by claiming that it is an active appeal to kill all jews in Israel. About as horrible a statement as what that israeli woman states about palestinians.
That’s a forbidden saying in Germany and has nothing to do with the text in this post and you know that.
They banned the phrase as part of a wider effort to crack down on pro-Palestine protests, and have arrested tons of protestors who have signs like “Freedom for Palestine,” and “Palestinian children deserve to grow up.” . If you don’t know that, you’ve never been to a protest that the police decided to shut down.
Those who don’t move, don’t notice their chains.
This has nothing to do with the post or what I said. Stop changing the topic.
You said that someone would not be arrested for saying what was in OP in Germany, I gave examples of people being arrested for saying far, far less.
“Far less” is unfortunately not a judicial category.
People will not getting arrested for the text in OPs post, just stop spreading misinformation.
You think a country which arrests people for saying “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” is going to allow calls for the wholesale slaughter of all Israeli children?
So, you think that the demand for freedom for Palestine is worse than condoning the murder of babies and guilt by association? O.o
Edit: Care to explain, why the phrase is forbidden in Germany?
The “from the river to the sea…” phrase is forbidden as it supposedly denies the right of the existence of the Jewish state Israel which, in Germany, is considered as a special form of antisemitism.
It was a rhethorical question and AFAIK not technically correct (it’s supposedly the slogan of Hamas, which is classified as a terrorist organization - that’s a simple way of constricting German freedom of speech).
But yeah: my point was whether the OP said about israelis wouldn’t be considered antisemitic in Germany.
According to the German Wikipedia article on that phrase, it was forbidden as it is a Hamas slogan, but only in the context of endorsement of terrorism, not in general. So there have been cases, where the use was not prohibited on a rally, as it’s organisers made explicitly clear that they don’t endorse Hamas nor terrorism.
Its allegedly is a Hamas slogan.
And it still discriminates against all legitimate uses. Because you can never be sure if the police still decides to break up the protest after such a chant. And when the police breaks up the protest (with the possibility of violence) after the parole has been used and then it turns out that a judge later decides that it wasn’t illegal, it’s probably less of a consolidation after the fact.
It was not invented by Hamas, but they’ve used it.
And?
So have Israeli ultra-nationalists (not with the “Palestine” bit, but… yeah)
I know and I find that one much worse than the Palestine version.
AfaIk, Israeli ultra nationalists, unfortunately, are not considered terror organizations in Germany.
It is not about what I think is worse, but what the courts think.
I can’t explain, but I am also not a representative of German courts.
Ok. You think you wouldn’t get arrested for that kind of sentiment when the “from the river” phrase gets you arrested?
I could explain it to you. From several standpoints. The official justification jusyifies the prohibition by claiming that it is an active appeal to kill all jews in Israel. About as horrible a statement as what that israeli woman states about palestinians.