Time for the western Pacific states to form their own trading bloc.
I’m ready for a “Hot Tariff Summer.” Let the MAGA Nazis feel it.
You don’t think they’ll just say “tread on me harder, daddy”… unironically?
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I think no matter what I’m going to enjoy all the magat whine. Of course its not the orange tumor but china’s unwillingness to kiss his tainted ass.
Unlike the Senate and congressional republicans, apparently the Chinese have some semblance of self respect.
LOL!
I wonder how much diesel those things (plus the trucks that pick up the containers) use - and if this will decrease oil prices?
They run on this lovely environmental disaster of a fuel:
Heavy fuel oil is a category of fuel oils of a tar-like consistency. Also known as bunker fuel, or residual fuel oil, HFO is the result or remnant from the distillation and cracking process of petroleum. For this reason, HFO contains several different compounds that include aromatics, sulfur, and nitrogen, making emissions upon combustion more polluting compared to other fuel oils.
Cargo ships don’t really use diesel, they run on bunker fuel.
Bunker fuel is an umbrella term for any fuel used in ships, including diesel. The term describes how the fuel is stored on board, not what it is made of.
Huh, never knew that. Thanks for sharing
Bunker fuel is a derivative of petrol, and more polluting than diesel, so your question very much still stands.
Alternatively, the container ship in the article is by CMA CGM, who are increasing their use of LNG (Liquified Natural Gas). This fuel is being used to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollutants.
That person is wrong. Diesel is a type of bunker fuel. Any fuel used on ships is bunker fuel. Including diesel, coal and everything else.
Do you have a source for this? Anywhere I look says that bunker fuel refers to heavy fuel oil which is very much not diesel.
Six months back:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/18/teamsters-favor-trump-harris-endorsement-00179879
Teamsters members heavily favor Trump over Harris ahead of union endorsement decision
Now:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-05-03/trumps-tariffs-hit-truckers-and-port-workers
Tariffs bring shipping slowdown, threatening trucking jobs at L.A. ports
A 2023 report found that the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach contributed $21.8 billion in direct revenue to local service providers, generating $2.7 billion in state and local taxes and creating 165,462 jobs, directly and indirectly.
A decline of just 1% in cargo to the ports would wipe away 2,769 jobs and endanger as many as 4,000 others, the study found.
Last week, Port of Los Angeles Executive Director Gene Seroka said arrivals could drop by 35% over the next 14 days.
This threat looms large for members of ILWU Local 13, a union representing longshoremen who unload cargo and support port operations.
“They’re just wondering what’s going to happen,” ILWU Local 13 President Gary Herrera said of his members. “Some of the workforce will not be getting their full 40 hours a week based on the loss of cargo. Job loss is definitely a concern.”
According to Herrera and port officials, there will be more than 30 “blank sailings” in May at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, which occur when cargo ships cancel planned trips. That will mean 400,000 fewer containers will be shipped through the ports, officials said.
The impending downturn at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles comes not long after the twin facilities reported booming activity, tied to a labor dispute that shut down major ports on the East and Gulf coasts. Nearly one-third of all cargo containers delivered to the U.S. travel through Los Angeles and Long Beach.
Navdeep Gill, who owns the Northern California trucking company Ocean Rail Logistics, said his business is already moving 60% to 70% less cargo as a result of the tariffs.
Gill’s truckers, who haul goods from the Port of Oakland, typically move 50 containers a week. Recently, they have been moving 10 to 15, Gill said.
“When we are not doing anything and the trucks are not working, then we lose money,” he said. His company hauls industrial goods, paper and food products.
“We have fixed expenses like insurance that we cannot bypass, so we’re losing money,” Gill said.
Over the three-day period ending Sunday, 10 container ships are expected at the Port of Los Angeles. That’s a decline from the 17 container ships that typically arrive every three days at this time of year, according to a memo from a trade group that represents shippers.
“That is going to have an effect on the work opportunities for not just us, but for truck drivers, warehouse workers and logistics teams,” said Herrera, the union president. “This is the ripple effect of not having work at the waterfront.”
Just to give some context here:
US Dockworkers (Longshoremen) are not all in the same Union.
The West Coast and Hawaii are ILWU.
The Gulf and Atlantic Coasts are ILA.
The ILWU came out heavily against Trump before the election, endorsing Kamala.
The ILA on the other hand… basically decided to time their most recent strike with the latter stages of the 2024 campaign, snubbed Biden on multiple occasions, openly praised Trump on many occasions, both before and after he was elected…
… though I don’t think they formally endorsed Trump, its fairly clear which horse they backed.
Teamsters, on the other hand, represent… road maintenance workers, truck drivers, train operators, railway maintenance workers, construction workers, newspaper workers, police, warehouse workers… after over a century of union mergers, their represented industries are much more broad.
And they didn’t formally endorse anyone, but uh yeah, similar to the ILA, its very, very clear that leadership prefers Trump.
Don’t read over this line as if it isn’t one of the most important lines in the article:
“They’re just wondering what’s going to happen.”
People who voted for Trump are all doing this fucking “let’s wait and see” bullshit right now. It’s absolutely fucking idiotic.
Yes, this is why I no longer give a shit. I was extremely heavy handed on please try to help everyone. Fuck that. If you guys are able and willing to make people make sense, I’ll be there but godamn I’m tired.
Sounds like an opportunity for political education.
You know they won’t learn a damn thing from this
They’d be walking into the gas chambers, telling everyone around them that they’re about to get the best MAGA shower ever.
I know they won’t learn it on their own.
Political education is something that has to be actively done to them. Normal people don’t learn about politics by choice.
But they’ve been told to distrust anyone who could deliver that education!
To be clear, it’s not going to be talking heads on TV or annoying people on the internet that can educate them. They’ll only listen if fellow workers tell them the truth.
It’s merely an opportunity for political education, someone still has to go out among the workers and do it.
I work in a factory. I know I’m going to remind my fellow workers of the consequences.
I hope those stupid cunts starve to death.
The problem is that this is going to affect far more people than just these moronic Teamsters.
I mean, everyone is entitled to their vote, and my guess is that they’re probably going to take an economic hit, so I have a hard time dogpiling on top of that, but I don’t think that it was a move that was in their interests.
I’m on team dogpile.
Alright everyone back in the pile!
WE TOOK ER JERRBSS!
Gonna be great for the environment. Thanks USA!
Indeed, Trump ironocally doing more for the enviorment then any owtjer President was not on my bingo card. Recession, people buying less shit, less tourism etc
What a world :)
The Orange Turd is bringing empty shelves to America. Great job MAGAts.
Can’t have expensive eggs if you don’t have eggs at all!
-taps head-
At least he has reduced the enormous amounts of pollution created by all those ships normally?
I don’t know, I’m just trying to find a sliver of hope somewhere.
Container ships are the most economical and least polluting way to ship goods per ton
They still are one of the major contributers to climate change and global pollution. Less shipping is always better.
I thought trains were the most efficient way to ship goods, though I’ll concede that trains are notoriously bad at crossing oceans.
Don’t worry, Trump’s got you covered…
Especially if wind power becomes a viable alternative (again?)
https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-wind-powered-cargo-ship-sets-sail-2023-08-22_en
Doesn’t mean it’s still okay for the environment. Those ships need to be transitioned to nuclear.
Nobody was arguing it was.
Your second sentence I agree tho.
So you are saying container ships do not cause massive pollution?
EDIT: For the argumentative kids in the class who still don’t get it: It doesn’t matter if container ships are the best way or the worst way. That’s irrelevant to my comment. If an element of pollution is removed, then pollution goes down.
No, they are saying that any other way to transport those goods would cause more pollution.
So you are saying that by NOT transporting these goods whatsoever, the environment is harmed more?
You need to learn how to read.
You guys are all fools. This is a good thing! The Art of the deal! This is just from Thursday:
“We’re seeing as a result that ports here in the US, the traffic has really slowed and now thousands of dockworkers and truck drivers are worried about their jobs.”
- Reporter
“That means we lose less money … when you say it slowed down, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing.”
- Trump/Master Negotiator/Art of the Deal
His rational is powerfully idiotic.
“We lost money because americans spent it on Chinese made goods and not american goods.”
For one, a lot of these goods are sold by US companies. Those jobs, that revenue on leases and equipment, are spent in the US. For two, we don’t make most of this shit here to buy at all, and in some cases like “exotic” foodstuff like coffee, we cannot make it here. Americans can literally not spend our money on something American made even if we wanted to. For three, the factories and supply chain to make the things will take decades to stand up, the same way they took decades to stand up in China, where US corporate greed for offshoring and a local authoritarian government that plans for decades, generally at the short term detriment of its people, worked together to build it.
Putting shitty tariffs on the world wont shift the above. It has to be followed with ungodly, focused government spending for a generation. Everyone knows this shit is over in a small handful of years, not 20, so no corporation is going to make the huge investment in the US infrastructure that we would need.
i heard that once you fuck with the international supply chain, it takes a while to recover… like, you announce a bunch of tariffs and companies stop filling orders, factories stop, etc… suspending tariffs doesn’t make that all just start up again immediately.
but hey, our 11 year olds don’t need 30 dolls or 50 pencils?
what sucks is it’s actually really good to stop it… just, not like this…
p.s. grow a garden.
Out of curiosity, I looked it up a while back.
It’s 11,631 km from Shenzen to Los Angeles. That’s about 6280 nautical miles.
The average container ship speed is 16-25 knots. Let’s split the difference and call it 20.
6280 nm / 20 kn = 314 hoursThat’s a little over 13 days just to cross the Pacific, assuming a steady course and no issues. Add in time to load the ship in China and unload it in LA, and you can see why the most-cited estimates are three to four weeks for cross-Pacific shipping.
If no ships have arrived from China in the past few days, that means it was a month ago (hey, anyone remember “Liberation Day” on April 2?) that ships stopped sailing. And that means it will be at least another month before any more arrive, assuming they leave today.
Trump voters have really fucked over the US.
Trump voters have really fucked over the US.
since you can do math, i encourage you to check out election truth alliance, and on reddit r/somethingiswrong2024….
there’s a fair amount of junk on there, but when people analyze the voting data, there are statistical impossibilities.
trump voters are only part of it, the election was hacked.
stuff like, drastically different voting behavior during certain parts of the day, different voting patterns in people born on odd versus even years…
most people go blank when talking about math and statistics…
I’ve been trying to raise awareness about exit polls being off for years, as well as many states flunking statistical tests with precincts. All the major news in the USA stopped using exit polls to predict many races.
It’s not rocket science, and the numbers can be run by most people with a high school math level and a small level of programming. The raw data is readily available from both government and organizations.
But, this has no interest for any party activists, across the spectrum. Over a decade of trying did convinced me Americans who were politically active really do not want to know.
i don’t think it’s that they don’t want to know, i think it’s that they’re inundated with bullshit, and during covid there was a never ending stream of fake conspiracy evidence with charts and math and shit…
and then never ending fake evidence that the previous election was stolen (although they used that to prepare for actually stealing it this time… like getting the source code of voting machines for their “audits”)so when someone like us shows up and says, “no it’s a real conspiracy! i have proof!” people’s eyes glaze over… and generally people are afraid of math.
I feel this is such a complicated issue I do not understand at all. One would think that republicans would take interest in why their candidates loose in the primaries, or the democrats would want to think really hard about the evidence coming from the famous close votes to control the senate or house. But, no.
I came from the computer side of things, with my criticism of voting software. For a long time I tried to talk about software. I figured early on that people were, like you described, just tuning me out. But, after I tried to change tack, and skip any technology or math, there was still no interest.
Over the years I have had many discussions and I concluded this was simply a taboo subject for those who are active in politics. However, those who are cynical, and not participating, readily see the value and truth, but see little value of the knowledge. We have no ready made audience for such discussions.
For a long time I just felt like there was something simply broken in political discussion. There is a wide disconnect between those who participate in American politics and everyone else. Its not math, its not science, its faith. We are challenging the faith of the politically active. What does that make us? Heretics.
We are heretics who speak of things that, if taken seriously, would invalidate the majority of USA elections. The truth would burn the country down. Its remarkable there is such tolerance as seen, and its just people ignoring the few who see the Emperor has no clothes.
And we will be ignored here, there, everywhere, for at least a generation or two, if not longer.
Not to mention, there are all the opportunistic price gouges across all industries. Prices go up and then stay up because profits gotta grow.
They don’t need pencils for the factory jobs. I guess is what I’m told.
I wouldn’t be surprised if/when a deal is made with China, Trump removes/lowers tariffs only on shipments that dock at ports in “red states”. So ships going to California 100% tariffs but ships going to Florida only 10-15%. He’s that vindictive.
most of the red states are inland, maybe texas and florida, but it so out of the way, its not worth it,.
I’m not saying it would be logical or good. It would be vindictive which is why he would do it.
Uhh yeah, he sure is. He released dams to reservoirs here in California in the middle of winter, threatening farmers fields with floods. Now, without the reservoirs, those farms are susceptible to drought this summer.
It’d have to be something silly given that it would necessitate the ships going via the Atlantic
We are so fucked
The dildo of reality rarely arrives lubed…
It’s hilarious though. In that “what did you expect?” Kind of way
Are they just stopping at another country and having a ship from that country import?
So far as I can tell, no.
There really is about to be a major supply chain interruption
There is some of that via India and other intermediaries, but mostly China is willing to wait it out.
This guy is a lot better than CNN for shipping.
I do love his videos. Very informative. Also this CNN story claims are over a 12hr period. Silly stats IMO.
