This is all a self-own, too. While donvict completely flubbed the covid response, it wasn’t something he created.
This is all something donvict did to us. Donvict was handed an economy that was the envy of the world, and managed, in a mere amount of weeks, start dismantling the government, acting like austerity measures were needed and starting a trade war with nearly every country on the planet, while threatening actual war with several countries, including close allies.
And no amount of gaslighting and bothsiderist bullshit from so-called “centrists” or “independents” or, lol, “leftists”, will cause me to think that Biden was “just as bad” on matters where we have so much data, such as the economy. Things were on a great footing and heading in all the right directions when he left office. Donnie dumbass quickly started fucking all that up.
Watching all this go down from basically halfway across the world is very cathartic. Like some semblance of justice is being dispensed.
I’ve been the crazy guy yelling apocalypse for a while now. Honest? For Europe will be hard but in the long run it will embolden us (or crush us). But watching the US collapse under the weight of his own stupidity is something so so refreshing to see.
I didn’t do anything to deserve this yet it still feels deserved.
Look, I’m really sorry some good Americans will suffer because of this, but… will GPUs somehow be cheaper overseas due to this or no?
Gpus manufactured in taiwan, not west taiwan
West Taiwan? Seriously ? When did mainland Taiwan become west Taiwan?
Genuine question, are they? The chipsets on top of the line GPUs are indeed but isn’t the card itself assembled still in West Taiwan?
I mean, it depends but pretty often yeah. from my understanding most dies are made in their entirely at TSMC. Then the dies go either to Vietnam, Malaysia, West Taiwan or stays in Taiwan for testing/assembly/packaging but most do go to West Taiwan for that.
I’m ready for a “Hot Tariff Summer.” Let the MAGA Nazis feel it.
Looks like donvict is already trying to create distractions from his complete and total fuckups - for example, suspending habeas corpus and arresting Democrats for exercising their rights.
Whole lotta dipshits that will be most impacted by tariffs are also the kind of people that think “illegals” are “invading” this country, too, so they will be very easy to distract unless things are absolutely dire.
You don’t think they’ll just say “tread on me harder, daddy”… unironically?
They’ll blame democrats. democrats will blame the left flank of their party. Both republicans and democrats will shift to the right again.
They’ve already started with “this is a globalist ploy to destabilize the American economy”.
Time for the western Pacific states to form their own trading bloc.
Cascadia baby!
The Orange Turd is bringing empty shelves to America. Great job MAGAts.
I’m sure they will find a way to blame Biden, Hillary, Obama, the DEI and the trans. Not to mention the immigrant “invasion” that they think is a real thing.
The Orange Turd is bringing empty shelves to America
Again.
Can’t have expensive eggs if you don’t have eggs at all!
-taps head-
At least he has reduced the enormous amounts of pollution created by all those ships normally?
I don’t know, I’m just trying to find a sliver of hope somewhere.
Ships barely pollute. They carry an extremely large amount of weight for the energy they use because they are on water. It’s the truck bringing it to your doorstep that creates the pollution. If you live on the coast, buying American could pollute more
Container ships, especially large ones, are significant contributors to greenhouse gas emissions, comparable to the emissions of 50 million cars.
I seem to remember some testing they were trying out with some kind of computer-powered sail to give a big assist - the people interested were especially interested in the savings in cost, not so much the environment.
That was easily 20 years ago, so I’m guessing it didn’t work out.
lol, he likely hasn’t done that either. Those ships will be shipping those goods elsewhere. However, global supply chains, as much as they save money are less environmentally friendly. So, hopefully, if trade becomes less USA centric, there is an increase in lateral trade within Asia and closer partners. Given the USA is one of the least environmentally friendly countries, I would expect any increase in production there to be worse than chinas emissions.
Container ships are the most economical and least polluting way to ship goods per ton
They still are one of the major contributers to climate change and global pollution. Less shipping is always better.
I thought trains were the most efficient way to ship goods, though I’ll concede that trains are notoriously bad at crossing oceans.
They are the most efficient way of transporting goods on land. Using huge cargo ships si still the most efficient way, once the distance is far enough and the volume high enough.
Not confirmed. Crossed the ocean on a train in Japan
I’ve seen this movie. No matter how good the food at the abandoned theme park looks, don’t eat it. It’s not for you.
Don’t worry, Trump’s got you covered…
Especially if wind power becomes a viable alternative (again?)
https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-wind-powered-cargo-ship-sets-sail-2023-08-22_en
Doesn’t mean it’s still okay for the environment. Those ships need to be transitioned to nuclear.
Holy fuck no!
You probably have several products in your home delivered by a fleet of nuclear powered ships. Currently, the only tech capable of solving our energy needs is nuclear. And the new reactors are safer than the ones that come to mind with melt downs.
You probably have several products in your home delivered by a fleet of nuclear powered ships.
Not by choice though.
I only buy local, from Europe where I live, or used.Currently, the only tech capable of solving our energy needs is nuclear.
Currently, the only tech capable of solving our energy needs is using less energy.
And the new reactors are safer than the ones that come to mind with melt downs.
And container ships aren’t known for being in line with current safety standards in anything.
They’re operated out of whatever island has the lowest taxes and least regulations, built by the lowest bidder and often crewed by people who don’t share a commmon language.
Thousands of nuclear powered ships manned by the whomever agrees to the lowest wage. This while ignoring the alternative fuels various vessels are switching to.
The first one went online a couple years ago…
Nobody was arguing it was.
Your second sentence I agree tho.
So you are saying container ships do not cause massive pollution?
EDIT: For the argumentative kids in the class who still don’t get it: It doesn’t matter if container ships are the best way or the worst way. That’s irrelevant to my comment. If an element of pollution is removed, then pollution goes down.
No, they are saying that any other way to transport those goods would cause more pollution.
So you are saying that by NOT transporting these goods whatsoever, the environment is harmed more?
You need to learn how to read.
You guys are all fools. This is a good thing! The Art of the deal! This is just from Thursday:
“We’re seeing as a result that ports here in the US, the traffic has really slowed and now thousands of dockworkers and truck drivers are worried about their jobs.”
- Reporter
“That means we lose less money … when you say it slowed down, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing.”
- Trump/Master Negotiator/Art of the Deal
His rational is powerfully idiotic.
“We lost money because americans spent it on Chinese made goods and not american goods.”
For one, a lot of these goods are sold by US companies. Those jobs, that revenue on leases and equipment, are spent in the US. For two, we don’t make most of this shit here to buy at all, and in some cases like “exotic” foodstuff like coffee, we cannot make it here. Americans can literally not spend our money on something American made even if we wanted to. For three, the factories and supply chain to make the things will take decades to stand up, the same way they took decades to stand up in China, where US corporate greed for offshoring and a local authoritarian government that plans for decades, generally at the short term detriment of its people, worked together to build it.
Putting shitty tariffs on the world wont shift the above. It has to be followed with ungodly, focused government spending for a generation. Everyone knows this shit is over in a small handful of years, not 20, so no corporation is going to make the huge investment in the US infrastructure that we would need.
Six months back:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/18/teamsters-favor-trump-harris-endorsement-00179879
Teamsters members heavily favor Trump over Harris ahead of union endorsement decision
Now:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-05-03/trumps-tariffs-hit-truckers-and-port-workers
Tariffs bring shipping slowdown, threatening trucking jobs at L.A. ports
A 2023 report found that the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach contributed $21.8 billion in direct revenue to local service providers, generating $2.7 billion in state and local taxes and creating 165,462 jobs, directly and indirectly.
A decline of just 1% in cargo to the ports would wipe away 2,769 jobs and endanger as many as 4,000 others, the study found.
Last week, Port of Los Angeles Executive Director Gene Seroka said arrivals could drop by 35% over the next 14 days.
This threat looms large for members of ILWU Local 13, a union representing longshoremen who unload cargo and support port operations.
“They’re just wondering what’s going to happen,” ILWU Local 13 President Gary Herrera said of his members. “Some of the workforce will not be getting their full 40 hours a week based on the loss of cargo. Job loss is definitely a concern.”
According to Herrera and port officials, there will be more than 30 “blank sailings” in May at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, which occur when cargo ships cancel planned trips. That will mean 400,000 fewer containers will be shipped through the ports, officials said.
The impending downturn at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles comes not long after the twin facilities reported booming activity, tied to a labor dispute that shut down major ports on the East and Gulf coasts. Nearly one-third of all cargo containers delivered to the U.S. travel through Los Angeles and Long Beach.
Navdeep Gill, who owns the Northern California trucking company Ocean Rail Logistics, said his business is already moving 60% to 70% less cargo as a result of the tariffs.
Gill’s truckers, who haul goods from the Port of Oakland, typically move 50 containers a week. Recently, they have been moving 10 to 15, Gill said.
“When we are not doing anything and the trucks are not working, then we lose money,” he said. His company hauls industrial goods, paper and food products.
“We have fixed expenses like insurance that we cannot bypass, so we’re losing money,” Gill said.
Over the three-day period ending Sunday, 10 container ships are expected at the Port of Los Angeles. That’s a decline from the 17 container ships that typically arrive every three days at this time of year, according to a memo from a trade group that represents shippers.
“That is going to have an effect on the work opportunities for not just us, but for truck drivers, warehouse workers and logistics teams,” said Herrera, the union president. “This is the ripple effect of not having work at the waterfront.”
It’s the meme of the guy jamming a stick in his spokes and then asking how the Democrats could do that to him.
Except the bike is a semi.
Just to give some context here:
US Dockworkers (Longshoremen) are not all in the same Union.
The West Coast and Hawaii are ILWU.
The Gulf and Atlantic Coasts are ILA.
The ILWU came out heavily against Trump before the election, endorsing Kamala.
The ILA on the other hand… basically decided to time their most recent strike with the latter stages of the 2024 campaign, snubbed Biden on multiple occasions, openly praised Trump on many occasions, both before and after he was elected…
… though I don’t think they formally endorsed Trump, its fairly clear which horse they backed.
Teamsters, on the other hand, represent… road maintenance workers, truck drivers, train operators, railway maintenance workers, construction workers, newspaper workers, police, warehouse workers… after over a century of union mergers, their represented industries are much more broad.
And they didn’t formally endorse anyone, but uh yeah, similar to the ILA, its very, very clear that leadership prefers Trump.
Don’t read over this line as if it isn’t one of the most important lines in the article:
“They’re just wondering what’s going to happen.”
People who voted for Trump are all doing this fucking “let’s wait and see” bullshit right now. It’s absolutely fucking idiotic.
Its pretty much like, ok, so we run Gotham, but we decided to go all in on this Joker guy… and he just burned down our bales of cash we can’t keep in any banks.
But we can’t… acknowledge… that we invested all our funds into the obviously crazy person… otherwise we look stupid.
This is unironically Soviet levels of unnacountability and corruption.
We’ve got the purges going on as well, notably with Hegseth basically firing all the top military brass.
Yes, this is why I no longer give a shit. I was extremely heavy handed on please try to help everyone. Fuck that. If you guys are able and willing to make people make sense, I’ll be there but godamn I’m tired.
I hope those stupid cunts starve to death.
The problem is that this is going to affect far more people than just these moronic Teamsters.
I mean, everyone is entitled to their vote, and my guess is that they’re probably going to take an economic hit, so I have a hard time dogpiling on top of that, but I don’t think that it was a move that was in their interests.
I’m on team dogpile.
Alright everyone back in the pile!
WE TOOK ER JERRBSS!
Sounds like an opportunity for political education.
You know they won’t learn a damn thing from this
They’d be walking into the gas chambers, telling everyone around them that they’re about to get the best MAGA shower ever.
I know they won’t learn it on their own.
Political education is something that has to be actively done to them. Normal people don’t learn about politics by choice.
But they’ve been told to distrust anyone who could deliver that education!
To be clear, it’s not going to be talking heads on TV or annoying people on the internet that can educate them. They’ll only listen if fellow workers tell them the truth.
It’s merely an opportunity for political education, someone still has to go out among the workers and do it.
I work in a factory. I know I’m going to remind my fellow workers of the consequences.
I think no matter what I’m going to enjoy all the magat whine. Of course its not the orange tumor but china’s unwillingness to kiss his tainted ass.
Unlike the Senate and congressional republicans, apparently the Chinese have some semblance of self respect.
LOL!
Gonna be great for the environment. Thanks USA!
Indeed, Trump ironocally doing more for the enviorment then any owtjer President was not on my bingo card. Recession, people buying less shit, less tourism etc
What a world :)
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i heard that once you fuck with the international supply chain, it takes a while to recover… like, you announce a bunch of tariffs and companies stop filling orders, factories stop, etc… suspending tariffs doesn’t make that all just start up again immediately.
but hey, our 11 year olds don’t need 30 dolls or 50 pencils?
what sucks is it’s actually really good to stop it… just, not like this…
p.s. grow a garden.
The last time the Orange Moron was president, his trade war with China led to retaliatory tariffs on soy beans. This led to China increasing soybean imports from Brazil. Even once the tariffs ended, China continued importing from Brazil and American exports never recovered. A whole bunch of farmers still voted for him.
At this point, I want this disaster to get as bad as possible. We fucking deserve to suffer.
that reminds me of my environmental science class when the teacher was talking about the complexity of international markets….
he was saying that while on it’s face it’s better to get protein from soy instead of meat, we export most of our soy to china, and when americans demand soy china starts getting it from brazil… which causes rainforest destruction…
so basically, soy boys are killing the rainforest.
and now trump is… yaaay.
p.s. the election was rigged, we don’t deserve it… but america does hold too much power anyways.
Out of curiosity, I looked it up a while back.
It’s 11,631 km from Shenzen to Los Angeles. That’s about 6280 nautical miles.
The average container ship speed is 16-25 knots. Let’s split the difference and call it 20.
6280 nm / 20 kn = 314 hoursThat’s a little over 13 days just to cross the Pacific, assuming a steady course and no issues. Add in time to load the ship in China and unload it in LA, and you can see why the most-cited estimates are three to four weeks for cross-Pacific shipping.
If no ships have arrived from China in the past few days, that means it was a month ago (hey, anyone remember “Liberation Day” on April 2?) that ships stopped sailing. And that means it will be at least another month before any more arrive, assuming they leave today.
Trump voters have really fucked over the US.
Trump voters have really fucked over the US.
since you can do math, i encourage you to check out election truth alliance, and on reddit r/somethingiswrong2024….
there’s a fair amount of junk on there, but when people analyze the voting data, there are statistical impossibilities.
trump voters are only part of it, the election was hacked.
stuff like, drastically different voting behavior during certain parts of the day, different voting patterns in people born on odd versus even years…
most people go blank when talking about math and statistics…
I’ve been trying to raise awareness about exit polls being off for years, as well as many states flunking statistical tests with precincts. All the major news in the USA stopped using exit polls to predict many races.
It’s not rocket science, and the numbers can be run by most people with a high school math level and a small level of programming. The raw data is readily available from both government and organizations.
But, this has no interest for any party activists, across the spectrum. Over a decade of trying did convinced me Americans who were politically active really do not want to know.
i don’t think it’s that they don’t want to know, i think it’s that they’re inundated with bullshit, and during covid there was a never ending stream of fake conspiracy evidence with charts and math and shit…
and then never ending fake evidence that the previous election was stolen (although they used that to prepare for actually stealing it this time… like getting the source code of voting machines for their “audits”)so when someone like us shows up and says, “no it’s a real conspiracy! i have proof!” people’s eyes glaze over… and generally people are afraid of math.
I feel this is such a complicated issue I do not understand at all. One would think that republicans would take interest in why their candidates loose in the primaries, or the democrats would want to think really hard about the evidence coming from the famous close votes to control the senate or house. But, no.
I came from the computer side of things, with my criticism of voting software. For a long time I tried to talk about software. I figured early on that people were, like you described, just tuning me out. But, after I tried to change tack, and skip any technology or math, there was still no interest.
Over the years I have had many discussions and I concluded this was simply a taboo subject for those who are active in politics. However, those who are cynical, and not participating, readily see the value and truth, but see little value of the knowledge. We have no ready made audience for such discussions.
For a long time I just felt like there was something simply broken in political discussion. There is a wide disconnect between those who participate in American politics and everyone else. Its not math, its not science, its faith. We are challenging the faith of the politically active. What does that make us? Heretics.
We are heretics who speak of things that, if taken seriously, would invalidate the majority of USA elections. The truth would burn the country down. Its remarkable there is such tolerance as seen, and its just people ignoring the few who see the Emperor has no clothes.
And we will be ignored here, there, everywhere, for at least a generation or two, if not longer.
maybe… or maybe neither of us are good at communicating difficult topics to people?
i couldn’t convince anyone that the covid pandemic was coming, even though i had been tracking it since it first started growing in china and korea…
i couldn’t get my own family to stock up on toilet paper and supplies, while australia had people fighting in grocery stores…
maybe america just had it good for too long. “it won’t happen here” has been mostly true for quite a while.
one thing i’ll say is: this won’t invalidate all elections. for one, i don’t think they hacked the voting machines before this one, but also people have been cheating in elections ever since Athens… it’s the nature of humans and power.
i just think that due to voting machine hacks, no election has been stolen on this scale before.
every hacker, computer security person, or just programmer has said that voting machines are crazy, but people just won’t listen.
there’s testimony of a lead developer claiming he was asked to write a program to manipulate votes during george w bush’s election… he explained how easy he could’ve done it, but he blew the whistle instead…. nothing came of it.
for one, politicians don’t like to talk about technical things they don’t understand, because then they can be shown to be fools….
i don’t know, all i can do is speculate.
but i do know for sure that the data of the last election proves it was hacked. there’s an algorithm… it’s clearly in the stats….
but we need some nice infographics, some nice, short and sweet, animated videos… an hour long youtube video with a statistician talking over graphs isn’t going to work.
the simplest impossibility is: they won every single swing state with just enough votes no not trigger an automatic recount… flipped 88 counties and harris flipped zero….
with trump behind in every poll…
it’s impossible…
also a weird coincidence that 88 is a neo-nazi symbol (H being the 8th letter of the alphabet -> heil asshole), no conclusions their but they do like their symbolism….
but there’s other glaring evidence. people voting differently if they have odd or even numbered birth years is a huge one… that is absolutely the work of a shitty programmer… probably using pseudorandom number generators wrong….
but it needs to be packaged nicely….
simple enough to be understood, but not so simple that it’s just five posters with big bold words on it.I don’t think its a communication problem, I thought that about myself for a few years and finally worked through it. Deaf ears cannot hear. Supporting my contention, is that I have seen people try to improve methods for counting ballots in the USA, and invariably, they give up after shouting to the void after a few years, usually less than five.
Some movements, like getting Virginia to use paper ballots, are rare victories, and are invariably regional in scope.
So, temporarily ignoring who is doing what in cheating, and how prevalent it is, and for how long it has been happening ( I have been against Texas electronic voting enabling cheating for the past generation, and its not hacking, but that is my own starting point into this).
I think anyone who understands the overall issue can agree that the average political participate, or spectator, in the USA, has absolutely no concept of democracy, and is basically an interesting study in psychology. Because, it takes mental gymnastics to overlook exit polls being off, and to just trust whatever process is going on, which they are neither interested in, or curious about. And yet be so hyped up about how many people vote, and for who. Its just a contradiction on so many levels.
For me, its been a singularly frustrating experience. Because I have one foot in the camp of people who do not care, and one foot in the camp of people who do care. I think that is what makes people like me rare.
Not to mention, there are all the opportunistic price gouges across all industries. Prices go up and then stay up because profits gotta grow.
They don’t need pencils for the factory jobs. I guess is what I’m told.
I wonder how much diesel those things (plus the trucks that pick up the containers) use - and if this will decrease oil prices?
Actually, real answer is that fears of that are already lowering oil prices. That and OPEC manipulating it again. It’s not so much the ships but the transit after; also less people buying things, typical recession stuff.
Lower prices on gas tends to be seen as a win, although ironically the US is the biggest oil supplier so it hurts the economy here too.
They run on this lovely environmental disaster of a fuel:
Heavy fuel oil is a category of fuel oils of a tar-like consistency. Also known as bunker fuel, or residual fuel oil, HFO is the result or remnant from the distillation and cracking process of petroleum. For this reason, HFO contains several different compounds that include aromatics, sulfur, and nitrogen, making emissions upon combustion more polluting compared to other fuel oils.
Cargo ships don’t really use diesel, they run on bunker fuel.
Bunker fuel is an umbrella term for any fuel used in ships, including diesel. The term describes how the fuel is stored on board, not what it is made of.
Huh, never knew that. Thanks for sharing
Bunker fuel is a derivative of petrol, and more polluting than diesel, so your question very much still stands.
Alternatively, the container ship in the article is by CMA CGM, who are increasing their use of LNG (Liquified Natural Gas). This fuel is being used to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollutants.
That person is wrong. Diesel is a type of bunker fuel. Any fuel used on ships is bunker fuel. Including diesel, coal and everything else.
I wouldn’t say wrong. Bunker fuel is derived from petroleum, but there are several different types, all distinct from diesel.
Do you have a source for this? Anywhere I look says that bunker fuel refers to heavy fuel oil which is very much not diesel.
Another one directly from the bunker fuel supplier https://www.crownoil.co.uk/guides/bunker-fuel-guide/
As so, the name doesn’t refer to the type of fuel the watercraft uses, so the fuel type can be a variety of different fuels depending on the vessel itself.
https://www.brookesbell.com/news-and-knowledge/article/what-is-bunker-fuel-a-complete-guide-158816/
What exactly is bunker fuel? In the broadest sense, bunker fuel refers to any fuel that is used on a ship.
The article then goes into more detail, including diesel discussion.
I wouldn’t be surprised if/when a deal is made with China, Trump removes/lowers tariffs only on shipments that dock at ports in “red states”. So ships going to California 100% tariffs but ships going to Florida only 10-15%. He’s that vindictive.
most of the red states are inland, maybe texas and florida, but it so out of the way, its not worth it,.
I’m not saying it would be logical or good. It would be vindictive which is why he would do it.
Uhh yeah, he sure is. He released dams to reservoirs here in California in the middle of winter, threatening farmers fields with floods. Now, without the reservoirs, those farms are susceptible to drought this summer.
It’d have to be something silly given that it would necessitate the ships going via the Atlantic
We are so fucked
The dildo of reality rarely arrives lubed…
It’s hilarious though. In that “what did you expect?” Kind of way
Are they just stopping at another country and having a ship from that country import?
So far as I can tell, no.
There really is about to be a major supply chain interruption
There is some of that via India and other intermediaries, but mostly China is willing to wait it out.
