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The question left out whether it meant responsibility to the employer or yourself, which is crucial information.
If you can’t pay your own bills, then you can’t eat enough to be able to work. So no
you owe that question no honesty
If you’re getting quizzed on subjective questions and ideology, it’s time to back away.
Yeah, a questioaire like his is definitely a red flag
Usually these employee screening systems are implemented by completely out-of-touch CEO’s and upper management who want to seem like they’re still taking “bold action” and such during their endless meetings.
I was supposed to use a really convoluted and stupid personality profile screening system to determine who would be best fits to hire for my team. I ignored it entirely, just had a lot of interviews and got to know the people. After making my decisions, I got called in for choosing candidates that “didn’t fit the personality profile for the position” and I said I would take full responsibility if something went wrong.
The people I hired lasted there longer than me, a couple got promoted.
I always respond and give the “right” answers because it’s either an HR psychopath checking your answers to see if you’re a dangerous unionist or now a damn AI.
So yes I’d like to kill myself for your company, then find something else and EAT SHIT
Yes Mr. Bossman, I would love to work at your company. I have aspired to be a <insert low-level job title here> since I was a small child. I would do anything to help out the company. My only desire is to help the business.
If it was a worker-owned co-op they’d be the same… but it never is.
Acquired responsibility under a working contract ≠ Motivation for signing a working contract
Sure but we are responsible for our own health and that of our family also, so the main objective for many is to obtain “stable employment” the more invisible, the better.
Work to live. Not live to work.
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Its asking what my primary responsibility is when acquiring a new job.
My primary responsibility is to look after my own health and wellbeing and to some extend the wellbeing of people i interact with. This at all times regardless of what my current goal is.
The most direct way a job relates to wellbeing is that it can provide a stable income to live from. So that is the correct answer.
No amount of additional context can change this.
Id like to take it a step up even.
The primary responsibility for any employer Is to make sure its employees have “enough” wage. Because if they can’t those jobs become objectively inhuman.
The primary responsibility for any employer Is to make sure its employees have “enough” wage.
I disagree, and I think it works in exactly the same way as the initial question. The primary reaponsibility of the employer is the success of the company. The success of the company is at least partially dependent on keeping good employees with good wage, benefits, and culture. You can get short-term profits out of shorting those things (just like an employee can scrape by temporarily with shit wages, poor benefits, and bad work culture), but in the long term that hurts everyone involved.
I value people’s freedom to chose their own priorities but i can’t quite wrap my head around this.
If an organization does not strive to benefit its maintainers or the common public (which includes its maintainers) then for what reason do we allow that organization to exist?
I know capitalism is a thing but it has never not sounded crazy to me how exploitation (be it nature or people) got normalized. Profit = Loss
I’ve heard these described as a “legally acceptable way of filtering out people with autism” and man I’ve not seen them the same way since.
I have had a theory that the personality tests are just to have an excuse to discriminate with plausible deniability.
This is absolutely the case. In the documentary “The Fog of War” (a great documentary IMO) Robert McNamara explains how he helped create a personality test to screen applicants for Ford (I think it was them).
One of the questions was “Would you rather be a coal miner or a florist?”. McNamara says his family had owned a florist but the answer they wanted coal miner. For “obvious reasons”.
“Yeah I want to be a coal miner. I want to fuck up my health, the health of the environment, the health of anyone nearby, all just to make somebody else a profit with a product that is more expensive than the clean alternatives”
I don’t think the reason is obvious at all. Is it because coal mining is hard work?
I think it was a clumsy attempt to filter out gay men.
Lol. Homophobes are funny. Thanks for the explanation.
Yep quite a few years back I had two jobs lined up , already got the first but the second one wanted a second interview after I filled in a 50 page personality test. I felt the first offer would be interesting and better paid but wanted to see what they offered. So I said why not just be completely honest instead of faking it :) very interesting interview, I just told them that whoever sold them this idea was probably a very good salesman. The tool is just pointless. I got to much risk taking etc , yea I like skydiving… I’m not skydiving at work. … if you want people to bullshit you it’s pretty good though haha
yep when I applied to work at target a few years ago, there should have been absolutely no reason for them to not consider me but I took that thiny veiled screening test and wow I suddenly don’t get a response.
fuck corpos man
I think it would just filter people who know what the correct answer is supposed to be.
I don’t disagree, I just also believe that the people who don’t know what the expected answer is are proportionally more likely to be on the spectrum than not.
in my experience, I’m the autistic one, and I have to explain it to the normies what’s going on with these kinds of questions.
Truth is irrelevant.
Innocence proves nothing.
Being right doesn’t matter.
Not that I necessarily think they’re trying to discriminate against people with autism giving blood, but there’s one of these on the blood donation intake questionnaire.
Intake Questionnaire: In the last year, have you used any illegal drugs via needle injection?
Me: No.
IQ: In the last year, have you had sex with anyone who uses illegal drugs via needle injection?
Me (married): Well, it’s not as if I can keep an eye on my wife 24/7… you know what, I’m just going to mark it No.
IQ: In the last year, have you had sex for money?
Me: No.
IQ: In the last year, have you had sex with anyone who has had sex for money?
Me: I’M TELLING YOU, I CAN’T KEEP AN EYE ON HER AT ALL TIMES, SO FUNDAMENTALLY I CANNOT GIVE A CERTAIN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!
You can’t even say the same thing about yourself. Maybe you have a form of sleepwalking where you unknowingly wander off at night and become a heroin user, turning tricks to pay for it.
Dammit, you’re right! I might not even have a legit job! All that money in my bank account might be from blackout bus station blow jobs!
Your entire life could be the vivid dream of one sick child in a hospital bed somewhere…
Sounds like you need to improve your communication with your wife about her potential IV drug use and extramarital affairs.
I don’t watch her 24 hours a day! I can’t say, with certainty, that she doesn’t transform into a dragon and fight gremlins in a parallel dimension when I’m not around! It’s a fundamentally impossible question to answer, short of “To the best of my knowledge…”
…now I want to hear more about what kind of gremlins a dragon fights…
Well in the case of blood donation it’s more about not taking/giving blood thzt might have ISTs.
The questions you listes are “interesting” but i think something closer to the issue here (i.e filtering out people out of bigottry) would be like “in the last 4 months have you had sex with someone of the dame sex ?”
I dont know if I’d describe her as a “dame” exactly. But yes, thank you for asking. 🤓
This just in folks: you can’t give blood if you had sex with higher class older women.
That one at least has a reasonably understandable medical purpose, all donated blood is tested for the kinds of diseases that these questions are meant to attmpt to screen for, and any amount of testing that can be avoided early saves them more money to spend on other lifesaving pursuits.
ok this one is kinda funny
Not really, in this case the more literally you read the question the better. It asks what responsibility you acquire when you have a job not why you got the job.
It’s not about that. It’s because people with autism rarely have a first instinct to give fake answers custom made exactly for the person telling you to fill it out like nd ppl do
Ppl with autism have this honesty instinct and that is prone to be rather inconvenient in life. Some are very idealistic some are desperate to be accepted as nd and overdo the ‚lying selfish’ part and become big assholes
Obviously we all know we are here for ourselves but we have to create an illusion that we value our employer. People with autism are a bit worse at these games so it is best that they pair with adhd ppl and complement each other
I was an advisor of sorts for someone with autism for a really long time to the point I was sometimes writing text messages word by word for them because they couldn’t really ever make them sound natural. I had no idea about autism back then though. They are in finance now I think doing pretty ok but not typical for sure and they are a bit of example that there are autistic assholes out there
Seriously there is almost nothing worse than autistic person who falls into the incel Tate hole. Not only they are still awkward as hell but also now they are caricature of some kind of macho guy in a mix that is truly hard on anyone’s nerves. On the plus side they are rather confused than evil still because it’s just a trying to fit in mask after all
That explains a LOT.
In what way? Are autistic people more likely to value company profits over personal goals?
No, but they’re more likely to answer honestly (that they get a job for wage).
My understanding is more that it presents a “logically correct” choice (making money to pay bills and be generally… alive) and a “socially correct” choice (the corporate answer) to filter people out.
Masking takes care of this, but possibly not for all.
Responsibility and objective are two different things
My primary responsibility is to take care of me and my family by earning enough money to pay my bills.
Sure, but on a work questionnaire you obviously aren’t supposed to list your private responsibilities and priorities.
Your private responsibilities and priorities are a whole different topic that’s pretty much entirely unrelated except that work lies in there somewhere. They obviously aren’t saying that work should be on top of your private responsibilities list.
It’s really weird that that even included that as an option. Possibly done in bad faith but likely just incompetence.
Well damn that’s a good point. But what a weird ass question.
If I owned the means of production, then answer #1 would be okay.
Or if they had profit sharing, that actually used to be a thing.
People all collectively forgot that that was the piece that made America great in the 50s.
iirc in the 50s the us taxed rich people out of 90% of their wealth.
obviously they rolled that back because they werent deposed like they should be, but really makes you think.
Officially this was the case, but nobody really paid that. Capital gains were still around 20%, around where they’re at today, and that’s how most of them got wealthy.
i want all business owners to know: i, and millions like me, lie through my fucking teeth on these “surveys,” telling you what we know you want to hear, while quiet quitting every minute of every day. because fuck you
They know, they don’t care. Read bullshit jobs
They want people who know better but still say what is expected of them
They know. They just want to filter out the people who are going to say something about it.
As soon as I read the responses I knew what this was. Guys you have no obligation to believe any of the training they give you. You know what the answers are supposed to be to be. Just tell them what they want to hear and keep going. They are still legally responsible for what happens on the job. This is just something they do to get rid of people or prevent people from getting hired.
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I would think that any business having this on an employment screener would be a huge red flag. But also, part of being a seasoned (read: weathered) corporate wage slave is answering nonsense like this with the corpo-appropriate response and NOT your actual thoughts.
I once applied for a pretty “standard” job. In return, i was asked to complete a survey which was a requirement. This survey consisted of some questions about “what would you do in this scenario if you would work here” (some of them were video-based ones). Since i have quite enough experience working in retail - i answered those questions kinda realistically even tho i thought that in perfect world the actual answer should be different (so called by you @[email protected] - “corpo-appropriate”). I finished the survey and i got a email with the results…
… it was something like “Not bad! There is a potential to improve” in a kinda mean way
I refuse to record video answers for an interview. I’ve actually drawn a line at the whole one-way interview in general. If you can’t make the time to talk to me on the phone or on video chat, then you’re not a company I want to work for. Plus, a lot of companies use those video responses to discriminate against people without having to look the person in the eye. It’s so cowardly, and I won’t participate in it.
In half of them it’s just “seek direction from my supervisor” or “follow company policy or procedure.”
Basically it’s never “think for yourself” for anything below manager.
Yeah, had to answer a few of these in a personality match assessment when I was greener. Answered them truthfully and… never got a response from the company. But things like: are you willing to grind yourself into dust if the need arises, do you perform 110% 24/7 or just enough to eek by, and the classic “do you work to live or live to work”.
Seems like you just dodged the bullet.
For corps you should live to work.
Corps actually forget that people work primarily for money which they spent to make a living.
Majority of people doing extra % are those who can’t afford living with their normal wage and they see it as the only way to get the money needed. Corps notices it so they think they can abuse those people to do even more extra work for nothing just because “they are hard-working believers in corporate and self success”.
This is fucking bullshit
P.S.
Of course, there are also people (altough in minority) that will do extra work even if they don’t need to, but they actually want to. That’s on them and i respect it.
Remember to tell them what they want to hear and they will do the same but we all know it is just a game.
It’s such a waste of everyone’s time. Just be honest, it’s easier
help your CEO get that hefty bonus
It’s just a question asking “What does an employee do”
Why are so many people up their own ass about this.
