• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        5 months ago

        His argumentation is dumb.

        But even more so, IF the bourgeoisie were promoting pro-trans stuff. It would NOT be suprising that the bourgeoisie would ALSO be promoting anti-trans stuff. It fans the flame of this “culture war”which according to communist theory, would distract people from realising the “true divide” in society is class, and workers to unite.

        TLDR: He’s clearly a conservative of some sort because his logic is incompatible with communist theory.

          • Omniraptor@lemm.ee
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            5 months ago

            hm can you link to an example of posts that fits the description “pushing you to distract trans activists”?

                • vga@sopuli.xyz
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                  5 months ago

                  Great article, thanks for that.

                  Quote from its 4th section:

                  then I ought to accept an unexpected man or two deep inside the conceptual boundaries of what would normally be considered female if it’ll save someone’s life.

                  I think the confusion (in my case) is that even though I think male and female are well-defined concepts based on biology, this fact does not preclude doing something special for the benefit of the remaining 1% who don’t fit the definition. And it also doesn’t preclude having a sexual identity that differs from the biological ones.

                  So I don’t understand the leap from what I’m saying to accusing me of being transphobic, and by extension, evil in a somewhat religious sense. This is where it seems to me that the discussion is fucked.

                  And the accusation of being anti-scientific I thought was just wrong, but that’s fine.

      • Goodie@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Lost me at ‘Why do they need to be “rooted out”?’.

        Welp, they’re a piece of shit.

        • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Yeah kind of buried the lede, you don’t need to unpack political ideologies to understand the hatred in the first response.

            • psud@aussie.zone
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              5 months ago

              So picture a political compass. “The right” think they’re in a corner marked as pro corporations/pro individual freedom, but are actually not quite there given their desire for government to control other people

              Most of “the left” are anti-corporate more or less and disagree on individual freedom.

              Tankies are pseudo-intellectual nuts. They are orthogonal to the political compass

            • UnityDevice@startrek.website
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              5 months ago

              It’s easy to understand them when you realise that their entire ideology starts at “anything the US does or says is bad” and continue from there.

              • The US supports Taiwan and is against China? China good, Taiwan bad.
              • The US supports Ukraine and is against Russia? Russia good, Ukraine bad.
              • Israel, Palestine, same thing
              • Bosnian and Rwandan genocide happened? Well the US says so, therefore they didn’t.
              • NATO bombed Serbia over their attempted genocide in Kosovo. NATO is the US, so Serbia didn’t do anything wrong, but Kosovo is bad.
              • And so on, and so on…

              Once you look at it through that lense, even their most wild takes suddenly become very consistent.

                • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  The US has been the grand champion of capitalism. That is a fair criticism to level against us. Its a criticism most of us share. We’ve done some fucked up shit and acted as a force multiplier making smaller conflicts into bigger conflicts with more killing and more suffering. We do this less because our politicians believe in doing the right thing and more because it maintains to neocolonial status quo. Where I draw the line with tankies though is that they are ALSO engaging in force multiplying neocolonialism. Russia is invading Ukraine right now because Putin is big mad about losing control of soviet colonial holdings. What I advocate for is a dismantling of both US capitalist colonialism AND Soviet Bolshevik colonialism. You can’t be a tanky and Anticolonial, too

            • pearable@lemmy.ml
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              5 months ago

              I think it has to do with complete distrust in western news and government (WNG). They can discount anything WNG says; especially when, it goes against their belief that the US is bad.

              I believe we live in the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever developed but the folks who are a part of it mostly don’t lie. They’ve got the same problem the tankies have but reversed. The folks who work in WNG believe the US is good. They naturally distrust and minimize any info that would conflict with their beliefs.

              There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance.

              The only way I can navigate my belief in the fundamental inaccuracy of information is acknowledging it and accepting I don’t have enough info to be certain a lot of the time.

            • mashbooq@infosec.pub
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              5 months ago

              They’re Soviet conservatives. So they have all the shit takes conservatives in the US have, they just hate the US instead Iran or whoever the US hates today.

          • Azzu@lemm.ee
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            5 months ago

            I’m not sure how this is hate speech from nutomic? They’re not necessarily saying anything bad about trans people as far as I can see, only that the bourgeoisie have nothing to do with it? Or what am I missing here

      • XNX@slrpnk.net
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        5 months ago

        Butd transphobes in quotation marks, bans everything he considers “sinophobia” even if you just mention literal policy in china. why are tankies so weird about so much stuff

          • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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            5 months ago

            They do not understand the concept of gaining grassroots’ support through the use of education.

          • XNX@slrpnk.net
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            5 months ago

            Don’t equate authoritarianism with mental disorders or disabilities. Authoritarians love targeting the disabled and it has nothing to do with it. People being miseducated, propagandized, and their insecurities leading them to want authoritarians in control has nothing to do with mental disorders

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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              5 months ago

              I really mean it though. Authoritarianism is a trauma response to being abused as a child. Our brains when raised in an authoritarian household that punishes us through physical violence like spanking becomes much more likely to seek authority from positions of power in adulthood, and if there becomes a power vaccuum or a shift away from top down authority, we transform ourselves from the follower to the leader. Whether or not authoritarians victimize people with mental disorders and disabilities is immaterial. They victimize every single group they can marginalize because they were ultimately empty from the childhood trauma that they’ve glossed over and turned into a positive aspect of their upbringing. Anytime you hear “my parents spanked me, and I turned out find” you are hearing a twisted mind grappling with an extreme trauma and justifying the shitty person they’ve become because if they don’t, it means they haven’t survived their core trauma yet

              • GatanKult@lemmy.world
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                5 months ago

                freudianism is pseudoscience, as is most discourse around “child traumas” (spanking = trauma? really? that’s absurd concept creep). Just look at the recovered memory movement.

                While it often took weeks or months, by all accounts, the therapists were remarkably successful at convincing patients that their minds had hidden horrible abuse memories.

                because childhood memories remain in the liminal period of awareness, you can convince yourself that personality is built on childhood experiences. It’s an insane tabula rasa and simply not true.

                wants strong government = beaten as a child is a terrible pop-sci take, exactly the same as chuds saying all gay men were molested as children

                • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                  5 months ago
                  1. Yes. Fruedianism is psuedoscience. That’s why I’d never deal in it.
                  2. Saying childhood traumas don’t shape us is fucking embarrassing when you’re trying to present yourself as being in the know
                  3. Saying spanking isn’t traumatic makes me think I don’t even have to deal with the rest of what you say
                  4. Yes. Recovered memory is a bunch of bunked up bullshit. Again. I’d never deal in it. You really are focused on tearing down what I’m saying based on shit I never said
                  5. Yo, you think fucking cihldhood memories end when you start having more awareness? We’re talking about the entire lived experience of being a child in an adults household. That shit ends when you leave for college. Again. You’re really focused on saying I’m saying something I’m not saying, so actually, genuinely, fuck off.
                  6. Saying this is a pop-sci take is probably the only real thing you said in all this. And there’s a difference between “wants a strong government” and “wants a dictator” and that’s what I was addressing. I’ll drop some links and let people coming across this decide which of us is basing what they’re saying off current understandings of how brains work
                • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  (spanking = trauma? really? that’s absurd concept creep).

                  Please stop. Anything can be traumatic. Two people can have the same experience; one receives trauma and another does not. You likely know people who have trauma from parental violence. This isn’t rhetorical, the things you say affect people.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Because why would the bourgeoisie want the masses fighting each other? Though he’s wrong anyway because the elite didn’t promote anything that doesn’t benefit them financially. While that includes turning the poor against each other, it also includes selling anything in any form to anyone regardless of want moral, ethical, or practical factors. If they can get you to pay them money for something with a rainbow on it, congrats, they’re pro-lgbtq. Because they’ve got another subsidiary that will sell the hate-fueled psychopaths that want to kill you their Bibles and.

      • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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        5 months ago

        Is it a pre-requisite to be a smug douche if you’re going to run a social media platform now?

        Man… I miss Tom.

        • Comment105@lemm.ee
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          5 months ago

          I use Jerboa and have already blocked the @lemmy.ml instance. There were calls to make that a thing with lent itself but I don’t think it ever happened.

          There were also suggestions to do more of the defederstions in a “soft” way, by means of adding the instance to the block list of any user on the instance that wants to defederate it. Reversible by any user that wants full access with their main user.

          From what little I understand about how Lemmy works and what the goals of the Fediverse are, this sounded like a much better way to do things.

          • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Lemmy’s options for blocking and restricting are too limited, and it’s also a bummer there’s not an option for providing a reason for a block or restriction in the federated instances view. I think it all ties into Lemmy’s issue with “moderating tools are not an emphasis”

        • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I used to be hopeful for Lemmy.world. that time has passed me by. Now they’re in the good riddance pile with sh.itjust.works. I’ve come to respect the beehaw admins the more time passes and the more it becomes obvious that was the move. Those instances don’t take moderation serious, and as a result they’re festering danger zones. You get a lot of good takes from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works users who don’t realize instance choice says something about you, but the overall tone of those two instances and Lemm.ee is not an overall tone I’m interested in experiencing as my general instances

          • Comment105@lemm.ee
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            5 months ago

            I’m sorry if I misunderstand, but are you saying a good instance heavily engages in tone policing?

            If I’m not misunderstanding, I hope you realize that would imply you only want to ever read a word from like the gentlest 2‰ of humanity.

  • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    I wonder if the lead developers of Lemmy, and other federated software, who are also admins and mods of instances and communities, realize that they too are part of the bourgeoisie they rail so hard against? Then again, they probably have a whole gymnastics routine for how they somehow are not part of the aristocracy.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      5 months ago

      They are. They don’t think about it.

      Nutomic is a nepo-baby who feels guilty about being rich and rightfully so, ah, but he doesn’t feel guilty to the point of giving it away.

    • bastion@feddit.nl
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      5 months ago

      Hot take. Let’s just say that anyone who makes anything anyone else uses and feels dependent on is a part of the bourgeoise now, amirite?

  • magnetosphere@fedia.io
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    5 months ago

    He strikes me as the kind of person who uses words like “bourgeois” to sound smart and thoughtful… but uses them while regurgitating talking points from fox “news”.

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      The very left lefties who explain to us that the best tactics to achieve leftism are coincidentally doing exactly what the rightmost political group wants.

      • magnetosphere@fedia.io
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        5 months ago

        I can understand being frustrated with democracy. It has many strengths, but efficiency isn’t one of them.

        When you see an injustice, you want it fixed NOW. Authoritarianism looks kinda good then, but ultimately it causes more problems than it solves.

        “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

      • Vilian@lemmy.ca
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        5 months ago

        maybe, but it’s open source, it easy to just fork if they start fucking with the code

    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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      5 months ago

      Marxism-Leninism is fundamentally a right-wing ideology. It’s a right-wing ideology that is very much at odds with the dominant right-wing ideology in the West, but if you blur your eyes and take a step back, you’ll see the same thinking at play. Once you realize this, the whole situation starts to make a lot more sense.

    • XNX@slrpnk.net
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      5 months ago

      Tankies like him basically regurgitate fox news talking points other than anything relating to china lol. Like literally itd be difficult to tell them apart if china wasnt mentioned

    • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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      5 months ago

      They’re not much different from the republicans they so detest. Hell I mean even Cuba is apathetic towards transgender people, Nutomic should be like them.

  • Anon518@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Based on the additional screenshots in a comment, it looks like this whole thing was bait to create drama.

  • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Well, those were certainly words.

    As a reminder, luckily code does not mean understanding… It’s just the right words in the right order. The code itself is blameless, it’s not great code or anything (and on request, I can be extremely precise in my criticisms), but it’s good enough to be used for good things

    • Comment105@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      Communists are being pretty explicitly anti-liberal, and they make that a point pretty often.

      And is becomes clear eventually as you see their posts and read their comments that these people aren’t misunderstanding liberals, they’re pretty aware that both in the meaning of the word and in practice, “liberals” generally want people to be free from shackles and free to do most anything. Typically summarized along the lines of “as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, do what you want”.

      Communists don’t agree with liberalism.

      Communists want to demand much more of people and permit much less. They have much more in common with Putin’s extant but inflated voterbase than they like to admit. Even with Putin not being a communist.

      • coldy@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Just go ahead and conflate outright tankies and ML’s with the entire communist space, sure, whatever. You ended up with “Communists want to take your toothbrush” level of analysis just because you paint too broadly.

        The problem with liberalism isn’t that they champion liberty, it’s that they are woefully incapable of challenging systems of power, and that just enables the present biases and power imbalances in the system, ultimately always leading to fascist tendencies and sometimes an actual slip into fascism.

        And that’s the beef the communist community at large has with liberals. They would theoretically be an ally, but will actually align with the fascists more often than with socialists/communists because they know fascists will ultimately still preserve upper class business interests.

        I won’t say that your critique isn’t salient, it does fit in with what a lot of tankies seem to believe, as they regularly champion state power, but it always irks me when people only interact with online jackasses and then assume that all people who subscribe to a similar ideology share in those opinions.

        • Comment105@lemm.ee
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          5 months ago

          Communists regularly act like they couldn’t be militant for liberal ideas. That the very act of getting serious requires dropping the tricolore banner and shedding the rainbow cloak to wield the hammer and sickle.

          As if specific allyship to the repestedly failed methods of communism is necessary for the fight, but fighting to reimplement and expand on the occassionally very successful methods of liberal, welfare focused, regulatory and tax heavy Europe and America is seen as completely nonviable.

          Spitting on pre-Reagan nation builders and embracing miserable failures whose only success was rallying and overthrowing, with no intelligent followup. Communism is dogmatic, it is stupid. It is technically bad at solving the problem of inequality.

          As if everyone else who has given much thought to solving it was wrong, unless they embrace Marx specifically, and embrace him wholly, not just in part for a few important controbutions in an otherwise not very useful body of literary works.

          • coldy@lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            This almost reads like satire in the context of my previous comment. I say you paint with too broad a stroke and don’t engage with communist ideas but only with a subset, you double down. I say liberals can’t grapple with the inherent flaws of the system and are unwilling to think outside it, you demonstrate it.

            Where do you think you got the ideas for worker’s rights and heavy taxation of the wealthy? You think social democracy isn’t just one facet of the socialist critique of capitalism? You think you just fell out of the coconut tree?

            I have no interest in adjuticating your point of view seeing as you’re unwilling to enage with mine, but the fact that you think all communists are marxist-leninists is comical. Even more, there are plenty of communists who aren’t even marxists. And not just communists, the whole left of liberal space is far more diverse than that. There’s anarchists, there’s anarcho-communists, there’s mutualists, syndicalists, on and on we go. There have been decades upon decades of work and thought put into the current, and it looks far more different than you could apparently fathom.

            Once again, I ask you to stop looking at what internet ML chambers and anti-communist propaganda claims communism to be. There’s a lot more out there that you might perhaps agree with, if you were willing to engage in anything more than milquetoast tweaks to an inherently unjust system.

            • Comment105@lemm.ee
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              5 months ago

              I say specifically Marx gets credit, but he is not a man with endless brilliant solutions.

              And the communists I talk about are the ones I see. The core of the movement. That includes the majority that are much more ignorant than I, whose main interest in these ideologies is purely vibes and aesthetics with a couple of arguments stored away in the back of their mind.

              Not the niche thinkers who most of them haven’t read.

              These are our letters to eachother. Conversations that may as well find an audience of one as a million. Those who print their words on paper are not nearly as prolific as those who share them freely in this environment.

              You lose modern politics reliably because you do not understand them. Your only surviving stock to champion the cause are either small and struggling, or they are no longer your champions at all. The movement never lasts, because it’s passionate, but stupid.