The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute interview with an average voter.
What do you do for the remaining 4-1/2 minutes?
Go to your happy place
The idea of voting for a candidate with whom you disagree on things upon which you depend for your livelihood or survival is just wild to me.
They don’t think about any of the social programs that they depend on. It’s about hurting the right people. A platform built on hate. Then they wonder why the leopards ate their face.
People vote based on what they think the person is like. Harris is boring and the same old. Trump tells it like it is, that’s exciting!
Nevermind that boring is what you want for government, you want everything to just work. But no, gotta be emotional about it.
The leopards are eating well. I’m actually worried about leopard obesity. So many faces to eat.
But they still get to PWN DUH LIBZ, though, right?
“I didn’t think it would hurt me.” - Trump voters for the next four years.
Just like the first 4 years.
As a school bus driver, I work with a bunch of older people who are already utterly dependent on social security and medicare to have any semblance of a life that doesn’t involve living in a tent in the park and dumpster diving for dinner. They are mostly trumpers. We’re all Teamsters as well, and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all). I have made a few attempts to convince them that trump (and Republicans for fucking decades) are out to destroy social security, medicare, unions and gay rights (among lots of other things) - but they reacted to me like I had grown an extra head. Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
They are mostly trumpers.
Spend all your time on a bus listening to AM Talk Radio year after year after year and see what happens to your brain.
Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth.
and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all).
They do know that just because it’s a Republican porn of choice, Republicans don’t actually hate lesbians, right?
Assuming they live that long.
“I didn’t think leopards would eat MY face”
-Leopard Eating Faces Party voter-
Just start laughing about loud and point at them with your arm fully extended. We should start shaming people in a more direct primal way again. Shame is probably the most powerful feeling (maybe second to “ahh oh my god I’m dying???” however you want to call that)
I could not agree more. This is the same bunch that tries to make being liberal a dirty word. They use liberal as epithet, along with things like environmentalist, community organizer, social justice (SJW), or veg*n (“soy boy”). Also: being educated, or in fact, aspiring to anything more than just being a huckster, a sportsball star, or, more recently, an “influencer”.
About time to start shaming THEM.
I agree. Tolerance of such extreme idiocy is unhealthy for society.
Shame is a paralyzing emotion. It does not bring change. Guilt does.
here’s the thing though: they’ll abolish the ACA, and when people start complaining, they’ll just blame everything on mexicans.
and trump voters will 10000000% believe it
blame everything on mexicans
I’m sorry, it’s all my fault and I take full responsibility. I’ll make tamales with atole for the victims of my reckless Mexican behavior. 😔
Holy shit I love all types of Mexican food and I’ve never heard of atole. Looking it up.
Edit: Fuck your fake coffee!
Hah! It only looks like coffee but is closer to a thick smoothie made with corn dough, vanilla, and cinnamon. It makes me feel very cozy during the winter, it’s delicious.
That sounds amazing 😋
Atole!?! In that case I’m definitely a victim and await my tamales.
“Illegals smuggle our patriotic, expensive insulin out of the US, and we gotta build a wall facing the other direction to keep them in this time! We’ll use tariffs to get Mexico to pay for it!”
The assumption to make here is that Trump is willing to try to do everything he’s said. This is a guy who literally tried to ban Muslims after all.
Personally, I think that the tumult of his administration is going to get in the way of its own agenda, as evidenced by his first presidency. Half of the people on his staff will be gone before the first year is out, and Trump is going to spend more time golfing than he will actually governing. His biggest focus will be on monetizing the presidency, and he surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants.
These and other factors make it difficult to say what he will actually achieve.
As for the ACA, it was a conservative court that stopped him the first time, so the SCOTUS is no slam dunk. I don’t think anyone can definitively state what will happen with regards to health care in this country.
JD Vance was made his running mate cause JD Vance is down with project 2025 and will be doing the actual running of things.
So it doesnt matter what Trump is off doing. JD Vance will be back at the office, doing the nasty work that trump will rubber stamp.
You can speculate on that, but history would demonstrate that you’re probably wrong. Hell, Trump tried to get his own VP assassinated last time.
I’m sure they think they can control Trump, but as we saw from 2016 to 2020, they can’t. That’s especially true at Trump’s age and with his cognitive decline.
Trump also famously told his VP picks in 2017 that they would run the country, he just wanted the title and perks of the presidency.
That was 8 years and 3 swaying Ave Marias ago, I doubt he is more motivated to do the job now.
Fair point.
JD Vance is down with project 2025
He was one of the authors, even.
Normally I would agree with you but I think Donald has lost touch with reality and we are letting a dementia patient run the country. I don’t think we could be in more dangerous territory. I mean, he isn’t even playing golf anymore.
This is what you voted for 💅
I have a feeling this channel is going to get a lot of content in the next four years…
They will get what they deserve
No they won’t. That’s a big reason why they never change.
Nah, somehow it’ll be Biden’s fault… google backfire effect, the more you challenge their beliefs the more they fight for them, even when proven wrong. They do not learn. They will not ever learn. They do not want to learn.
Didn’t they have control of the House and Senate last time and still couldn’t get it repealed before? Do they have the votes to get rid of it this time?
Assuming they get rid of it, assuming Trump actually steps down in 4 years, and assuming we ever have another election (big ifs, I know), could this actually help Democrats for the next few election cycles?
This was the one reason I wasn’t cheering for the filibuster to be repealed. The 60 vote threshold was the only thing that saved it last time. They will only be able to realistically get rid of it if they abolish the filibuster. Which would be a net win for Democrats, so they likely won’t do it.
Didn’t they have control of the House and Senate last time and still couldn’t get it repealed before?
Repealing the bill would mean revoking tens to hundreds of millions from various states. A lot of the healthcare and health insurance industry (which is dominated by right-wing financial interests) sees ACA as a valuable income stream. Its hard to uproot for the same reason Social Security and Medicaire/caid are hard to uproot. There’s simply too much money running through the system and too many private interests invested in the flow.
it’s been 9 fucking years and we can’t take Trump at his fucking word?
What’s ACA?
The Affordable Care Act, the US public marketplace for private insurance. Ignorantly referred to by conservatives as socialism.
Years back, before Republicans realized it’s good (as they eventually do with all social programs), I had an aunt say “I’m on that Obama care and it’s awful!” So we asked which plan she’s on and she just kept saying “I already told you, it’s Obamacare.”
I think the average Republican voter does not understand that it is private insurance
the average Republican voter does not understand
You can just stop there, and be correct about almost any topic.
I had to explain tax brackets to my mother.
She’s got a degree to teach math. And I know she actually went to college since I can remember sitting in the back of her classrooms when she couldn’t find a babysitter.
She used to do her own taxes and my grandparents taxes.
But, as a teenager, I had to explain why a potential $2 raise doesn’t mean she’s losing more money in taxes than the raise is giving her.
She also doesn’t believe the welfare cliff exists, despite our family being precariously perched atop it when I was in elementary school.
At this point I think she’s just heard the same stupid shit repeated over and over, she doesn’t even question it anymore.
I had to explain to my mom the other day about server wages and she didn’t even believe me at first.
Not to defend server wages in any capacity, but the utter fact that she didn’t know the wage nor the federal minimum wage absolutely astounded me. And when she tried to tell me to vote for Trump because of no tax on tips, I told her, “then just tip in cash,” she was stuttering and moved on from the topic.
calling it socialism is correct, they just fail to realize that’s what good governments do
Socialism isn’t “government does thing”. It’s when large groups of people get together and tell the institutions “you’re going to do what’s best for us, and not what’s best for the .001% at the top”. This goes for interacting with the government, too.
There are effects of this that can be felt, like “socialized medicine” or other public services… but they are not what socialism is, just what socialism does.
Socialism is when the government forces you to buy a product from a private company.
Not really? Its a marketplace and some regulations on how insurance companies can conduct business. It doesnt really have anything to do with having the common people have economic control
A public marketplace for private insurance is not socialism. It is strictly neoliberal.
Not even close to socialism or affordable. Currently paying $2400 a month on an ACA plan because my employer’s benefits don’t cover the services my disabled child requires.
Jfc, that’s my mortgage at least 4 times over. Any money spent on your kid is well spent, but it’s horrible that you must sacrifice that much.
Do you have a 2000 year mortgage? Or do you live in hell?
Wales, so close enough.
25 years, 6 years in.
Referring to the place you live as hell while having free healthcare and a $600 mortgage on a 3 bedroom house has demoralized every American who read your comment.
Tongue in cheek, of course.
The free healthcare has nosedived over the last 2 decades. It’s still free, but wait times for everything are insane unless you are actively dying. People can wait years for routine procedures & treatments. A regular GP appointment is weeks, unless you snag an ‘emergency’ appointment by phoning in at 8am sharp and beating everyone else doing the same.
If you need an ambulance and aren’t having a cardiac episode or similar - good luck and hope someone can drive your ass to hospital. Wait times are hours at minimum. A long time to be writhing around in (non life threatening!) pain.
Yes it is free. Unfortunately it is underfunded and overworked.
That’s a fraction of my mortgage …
I’d do it all over in a heartbeat but it would be nice if it wasn’t so damn expensive. Compared to the literal millions of dollars all my kid’s surgeries, hospital stays, home nursing, medical supplies, prescriptions, and equipment costs it’s a small price to pay. So I guess I should consider myself lucky.
“Shit could be worse” never ceases to be true.
Best wishes from me, sounds like you have a handful.
Where do you live that you have a $600 mortgage?!???
Not in the US. Suburban Wales, UK.
It affords a 3-bedroom terraced home. It used to be cheaper before our previous UK government fucked interest rates.
Holy shit that’s amazing. 3 bedrooms WITH a terrace?
AND you get free healthcare?
God you guys live like kings
Terraced in this instance means there are two other homes, one either side, that we share walls with.
Having good neighbours is essential.
Mine is just over $1000 in an urban area for a town home. We got lucky though and got in right before things went stupid in 2020, so that’s part of it. Also made the move and investment of a heavy down payment because we saw rent was going to become unlivable, and sure enough it happened.
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Hey, you stole my joke from last month
Obamacare. Also known as Romneycare.
What was said here is correct, but I wanted to add that almost all the things everyone hates about ACA was also mostly brought on by Republicans that wouldn’t vote for it unless sections of it were modified. Democrats took what they could get and figured it could be revisited later to fix that at some point. Instead, the opposite happened, and it was handicapped even more by Republicans and here we are, where most people just believe democrats forced this awful plan upon us that is making everyone pay huge amounts of money.
Not one Republican ended up voting for it anyways. Most of the compromises were for blue dog Democrats.
Yeah, Obama was so fucking desperate to get bipartisan support that he and the congressional Democrats let the GOP sabotage it instead of fighting for the single-payer system that had been promised. And now here we are. I honestly believe that if he had both jailed the bakers in the aftermath of the housing crash and gone full single payer not only would we be in a much better place as a nation, but Trump would never have been elected.
Affordable care act, also referred to as Obamacare. The name Obamacare was coined by republicans the actual name of the legislation was the affordable care act
The ACA was basically a federal version of Romneycare. It was cowritten by Republicans who as a party instantly forgot that they helped write it and demonized it.
With modifications making it not as good, to be clear.
“Romneycare” was already taken, and as an uninformed Canadian, isn’t it basically similar?
Yes. So similar in fact that Romneycare basically never changed in its original state of Massachusetts. All the systems set up for Romneycare were copied at the national level.
It’s the same thing but (and I may be mistaken on this) I think Romneycare is actually a little better? They weren’t able to implement a single payer option on the ACA because Joe Lieberman sabotaged it, but I assume he wasn’t able to sabotage it on the original draft Romney put through in his version
