Sorry, no sneer today. I’m tired of this to the point where I’m dreaming up new software licenses.
A trans person no longer felt safe in our community and is no longer developing. In response, at least four different forums full of a range of Linux users and developers (Lemmy #1, Lemmy #2, HN, Phoronix (screenshot)) posted their PII and anti-trans hate.
I don’t have any solutions. I’m just so fucking disappointed in my peers and I feel a deep inadequacy at my inability to get these fuckwads to be less callous.
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MOD NOTICE: we’re not putting up with debate club rubbish in this thread. If you don’t have the reading comprehension to understand the problems with those threads, you shouldn’t be posting here.
How do you not have respect for someone who writes software, and then makes their hard work freely available to you? If someone doing significant FOSS work does not earn your respect, I don’t think you’re capable of respecting other people.
Sad as hell. Maybe dropping dev work was really best thing to do (I currently can’t even open those links), I only wish they get enough support to not drop what they are. As little as it is, they have my heart
jesus fuck
it’s not particularly gonna help or even make me feel better, but I’m probably gonna reopen that first Lemmy thread a little later and just start banning these awful fuckers from our instance. nobody attacking Asahi has a god damn thing to say to any member of our community.
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The phoronix screenshot is the only one that contains open trans hate, though (though there’s some deleted comments on hackernews, but at least the moderation is working if that’s what those comments were) …
I think it’s mostly people talking about the Phoronix posts. The Lemmy stuff is fairly neutral and HN seems to be fairly solidly on the side of being horrified.
The phoronix screenshot is the only one that contains open trans hate, though
Pretty much proves that it is the „anime alter ego” of the guy. My god, the times we live in.
and if you think the orange site is at all safe for trans people, that tells me everything I need to know
What’s “the orange site”?
I don’t have any interest in seeking out people being shitty, so I don’t want to hunt through the links to figure out which site you are referring to.
once upon a time a guy named paully sucked at lisp, but most people couldn’t tell so they figured he must be good at it
then he made a website that was an ugly orange color, and everyone assumed it was ugly on purpose even though every web site paully makes is ugly and barely functions under load
then paully implemented moderation structures on the orange site that both cloak and enable discrimination and bullying, and everyone figured that couldn’t be correct because the orange site said it had good moderation
and now paully’s godawful startup accelerator is run by openly fascist little freaks and all it does anymore is AI, but the orange site says it’s prestigious and not at all a multi-layered affinity grift
the moral of the story is fuck paul graham
Thanks! I don’t think I’ve ever gone there from more than a headline and out, but given the type of people who would be into a “startup accelerator”, seems to fit that it would be a bunch of shitty takes on… Just about everything.
HN is a site for temporarily embarrassed billionaires who desire nothing so much as the blessing of Paul Graham and Garry Tan, so there’s a lot of competitive bootlicking
so there’s a lot of competitive bootlicking
I briefly thought “that could be funny to watch”, then thought “oh no, oh no no no! That would be horrifying to watch!”
QoL of not knowing orange site things is probably a measure better than knowing them, so you’re ahead a bit on that round
Hacker News, one of the sites this specific discussion community is about, per the sidebar
Got it, thanks!
I hate it so fucking much that a non-trivial number of FOSS communities have become hostile nazi bars in the last years (or maybe they always have been and I’ve just not noticed it before).
Why would anyone shit on Lina of all people? She’s such a nice and wholesome person and her work is exceptional.
Fuck these asshats.
Also, from that one Lemmy thread:
What fascists are ruining OSS?
LOL! Lmao even. Just input Linux into the YT search bar and you have roughly a 50% chance of getting fascist content.
maybe they always have been and I’ve just not noticed it before
As someone that was a ‘nerd’ back in the day before Big Bang Theory made ‘nerds’ cool, I’m gonna say that they always have been and you just haven’t noticed before.
The nerd / tech crowd have always been a bunch of miserable little sexists and dorks with a superiority complex. And half the time that little Timmy got stuffed into a locker or dunked into a toilet, he fucking deserved it. And to me, it’s really no surprise that they’re homophobic and transphobic too.
If Big Bang Theory was actually accurate, Howard and Raj would be prolific posters on incel forums that whine every time the girls come over and then later whine about being lonely, and Sheldon would be borderline nazi. Not sure about Leonard because even without changing anything about the show, he’s still the only half decent one of the lot.
they were geiuses who worked at caltech they can talk to women and prob respect them they arent the nerds who this applies to, fake nerds who thik they are intelligent but just above average for their locale and fail in higher education
the subtext here that ppl at prestigious universities are less likely to be misogynists… it’s not correct
The subtext is anyone educated that pursues higher education are less likely to be incels and have more human interaction, id include community college, which is free in california for the first two years if you qualify
I get the reasoning and it makes sense tbh. but having been at these places what I experienced just doesn’t reflect your theorycrafting. if my experience doesn’t line up with “well based on human nature it should be this or that way” I’m going to go with my experience every time
Being an incel and treating woman that way comes from less human interaction, as someone who was on the verge of going that way and was thinking in that direction before I made a lot of female friends, it was just lack of experience, you only interact with a few woman and you relate all woman to those few woman, you interact with a lot and you’re like oh we are just humans with variety same shit different genitals
For context my mom and sister suck, only woman I interacted with outside class and childhood (got hella introverted and stopped going outside at some point) So my assumptions about all adult woman came from how they acted, gaslighting and yelling is a pastime here. Like my sister and mom would straight up be like all woman are like this so goodluck, no they werent lol
Unfortunately the stereotypical asocial shut-in types are not the only ones harboring misogynist attitudes. Unfortunately actually interacting with women doesn’t always make people have respect for them. Either way, there are a bunch of loner types with poor social skills in higher education.
“Elite” institutions such as Caltech are constantly mired in discrimination issues, and frankly I think some of that is perpetuated by the whole narrative of their supposed prestige to begin with. The need to remain at the top causes such places to turn a blind eye to smart or highly acclaimed people’s misbehavior and lets their biases show in selecting who to let in. Caltech in particular is an engineering oriented school and that field in particular has an ongoing history of hostility to women and minorities.
On a more personal note, I’m glad you’ve had the introspection to recognize your upbringing-related issues with women and that you’ve seemingly worked to get over those issues. That said, I’d recommend you to avoid things like using genitals as a synecdoche for gender, It reduces people to mere sex objects and bringing up people’s genitals when not called for is generally considered crude and embarrassing.
I’d like to see a Venn diagram of computer nerds and incel, goth, trans, nazi, furry, hippy, punk, etc.
There’s a lot of diversity and I’d guess it would have some correlation with area of expertise.
I never got the sense that FOSS was particularly incel/anti-LGBTQ. But, tech support, maybe.
Would make an interesting sociological study.
And half the time that little Timmy got stuffed into a locker or dunked into a toilet, he fucking deserved it.
Little Timmy: Gets shoved in a locker.
You: You probably deserved it because you want to install the Fourth Reich.
Of course, the person shoving little Timmy into a locker is a paragon of virtue and will become a well adjusted person in society.
If you’ve ever been bullied in life I’d be surprised.
not on topic at all, but this thread once again makes me appreciate awful.systems as the sane corner of the internet that it is. just no tolerance for bullshit and great values. i wish i could just take that for granted, but it’s become exceedingly rare. thank you <3
and lol to all the shitheads thinking they can spew their shitty “opinions” on how people feel
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Why are people so fucking trash?
I don’t even smoke or drink and I need a fucking bottle of whiskey and a cigarette.
On the hn thread, so many green names.
Gotta say, lemmy seems like the only sane place when it comes to minorities and linux development.
Sorry what is a HN green name?
very new user. Hn accounts have a really low barrier to entry.
Thanks!
A very new user.
It’s basically free to create a HN account, it’s not tied to email or anything like that.
Thanks!
The only toxic comments seem to be on Phoronix and everybody’s talking about those. What do the lemmy links have to do with anything?
Yeah classic attention seeking behaviour. Just say you’re stopping work on it for personal reasons, or give details. The only reason to tease gossip like this is because you like the drama.
hey fucker I found one of those toxic posts you don’t seem to be able to see
It’s called vaugebooking.
just because you don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s incomprehensible - only that you’re lacking
I understand it completly, thank you. It has nothing to do with someone’s status as a person. I’m grateful that they spend their time and energy on open source. It’s a shame they’re being brigaded. They still did something called vaugebooking.
yeah, you can fuck off now
I’m more interested in what we call what you’re doing. Is it sealioning?
Quit trying to gaslight.
It’s actually fine to be vague if you don’t want to go into further detail.
I never gave an oppinion on the matter.
women do not owe you the details about why they leave a community and if you/the community as a whole feel entitled to the answer, then you have the fucking answer
It’s not exclusive to any one group of people, but it is a widespread phenominon that has been scientifically studied.
it’s cool that you discovered a word that lets you call Asahi Lina unnecessarily dramatic and attention-seeking in a way that lets you believe you “never gave an oppinion on the matter” and that you’re just neutrally observing a scientifically studied phenomenon!
wait no “cool” isn’t the right word now is it
Wow, those phoronix forums have really turned pure fash, haven’t they?
From one of the comments in the screenshot
Those comments are sickening, what is wrong with you people?
Almost no one else but the woke hunting crowd is here, as there’s little moderation and everyone else left
Tbf, that entire comment section got nuked, but I feel like the admin should either take a stance and moderate some, or at least disable comments on articles that are obviously going to have that problem instead of even giving an outlet to those monsters in the first place
Phoronix needs to shut down their comment section it has always been a cesspit of morons
Yeah, Phoronix is somehow a tier below even below HN. The Gamergate freaks of Linux enthusiasts. At least on Slashdot or HN, you might occasionally get someone with actual technical expertise posting. Phoronix just seems like a playground to push whatever the latest “I got this software for free and I hate it” grievance is, which is a profoundly pathetic thing indeed.
You would think someone has to be somewhat open minded and accepting of diversity to use FOSS. Life is full of disappointments. Sorry to see her go through this.
i’ve heard it said before from people better at wording it than i am, but seeing this: it’s crystalizing for me that people really do see “a trans woman” as “a woman i’m still allowed to abuse”. i can call her mannish, i can tell everyone she’s making it all up, i can call her hysterical and dramatic, i can freely speculate on her mental state to the approval of my peers, and no matter what she does – leave loudly, leave quietly, stay and suffer the torment – it will always be her fault and she will always be doing it wrong
To be fair, many men see every women, including cis, as one they’re allowed to abuse and all the other things you mentioned. And then it’ll be her fault for being “hysterical” or something similarly dumb.
it’s the same playbook, to be sure
I assume the second Lemmy link is suppose to go the .ml thread and not p.dev, as that comment section seems fine?
I linked to a feddit.uk view of a post in [email protected] because I was being lazy.
Strange.
